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Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Another triple-double for Luka and look at the score.
It's not even close.
You want individual stats or win games?
Come on now
This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:
Come on now
This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
playa-hater wrote:Dogen wrote:Nice to see Springer get his first Celtics points.
Watching he and Tillman, they bring a missing dimension to the bench: thickness.
"thickness" ?? Grant had a lot of Thickness
Homerclease wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
Steph is Gary Payton compared to Luka
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:
Come on now
This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
JimmyFromNz wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
JimmyFromNz wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:This is not the NFL.
You have to play defense in the NBA.
No defense means losing games.
If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
Talk to me again when Luka gets to the finals.
Intelligence is knowing that in basketball you have to play offense and defense.
Luka the GOAT on offense and a SHEEP on defense.
Intelligence that!
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
Talk to me again when Luka gets to the finals.
Intelligence is knowing that in basketball you have to play offense and defense.
Luka the GOAT on offense and a SHEEP on defense.
Intelligence that!
Acting like they haven’t made the finals because of Luka’s defence is an absurd take
Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Talk to me again when Luka gets to the finals.
Intelligence is knowing that in basketball you have to play offense and defense.
Luka the GOAT on offense and a SHEEP on defense.
Intelligence that!
Acting like they haven’t made the finals because of Luka’s defence is an absurd take
It's not just Luka's defense.
They had KP and Brunson and they all left.
Brunson even said he asked the Mavs twice about an extension.
It's all about Luka, his defense is just part of the problem.
At least Steph tries on defense, Luka doesn't even try!
Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:If we straight swapped Tatum for Luka we’d be just fine hiding away Luka on defence.
It’s like you are totally ignoring that’s what the Warriors did with Steph Curry and won four titles.
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
Talk to me again when Luka gets to the finals.
Intelligence is knowing that in basketball you have to play offense and defense.
Luka the GOAT on offense and a SHEEP on defense.
Intelligence that!
JimmyFromNz wrote:Fierce1 wrote:JimmyFromNz wrote:
If we straight swapped Tatum this team would 3 peat
Lukas defense currently is lackluster, no denying it. Yet it's not based on technical or size limitations, it's largely in part due to work load and usage on the other end.
He's literally about to break the nba record for most points produced for a team on a season, but we are asking why can't he cant cover tatum/brown or any of the other 5 out rotations against us, whilst being on an incredibly poor team defense.
I shouldn't really care, but the criticism from some lacks intelligence.
Talk to me again when Luka gets to the finals.
Intelligence is knowing that in basketball you have to play offense and defense.
Luka the GOAT on offense and a SHEEP on defense.
Intelligence that!
Haha I do appreciate the trolling.
Shouldn't the Dallas Cowboys fan be a little more sympathetic, must be nice to pick and choose
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Acting like they haven’t made the finals because of Luka’s defence is an absurd take
It's not just Luka's defense.
They had KP and Brunson and they all left.
Brunson even said he asked the Mavs twice about an extension.
It's all about Luka, his defense is just part of the problem.
At least Steph tries on defense, Luka doesn't even try!
Well that’s the point.
They screwed up with Porzingis and Brunson.
Porzingis in particularly had a coach telling him he couldn’t post up.
Nothing to do with Luka.
They’re competing in a brutal West with mid talent.
It’s ironic you keep up bring defence when offence is the reason the Celtics haven’t won a title the last two seasons.
I would have killed for Luka’s offence in the 2022 finals.
Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:It's not just Luka's defense.
They had KP and Brunson and they all left.
Brunson even said he asked the Mavs twice about an extension.
It's all about Luka, his defense is just part of the problem.
At least Steph tries on defense, Luka doesn't even try!
Well that’s the point.
They screwed up with Porzingis and Brunson.
Porzingis in particularly had a coach telling him he couldn’t post up.
Nothing to do with Luka.
They’re competing in a brutal West with mid talent.
It’s ironic you keep up bring defence when offence is the reason the Celtics haven’t won a title the last two seasons.
I would have killed for Luka’s offence in the 2022 finals.
You really think it was the coach or there was a rivalry between KP and Luka?
Luka and the Mavs had a chance to reach the finals in 2022.
But GSW shut Luka down, forcing other Mavs players to beat them.
The end result was Luka as ineffective and Mavs lost the series 1-4.
Luka doesn't play well with other star players.
There's too much evidence to ignore the fact that great players are leaving Luka instead of embracing Luka.
Take the case of the Miami Heat.
Spo and the Heat have nowhere near the talent level the Mavs have right now.
But the Cs always end up having a tough time against Miami.
Reason is Miami plays hard and their defense is excellent.
Also, didn't Celtic fans not like the my turn your turn offense of the Jays in the past?
That's what Kyrie and Luka are doing now, my turn your turn.
Basketball is more than just about one individual.
As long as Luka continues to be so ball dominant, the Mavs will never come close to winning a championship.
Luka has to learn to sacrifice.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Well that’s the point.
They screwed up with Porzingis and Brunson.
Porzingis in particularly had a coach telling him he couldn’t post up.
Nothing to do with Luka.
They’re competing in a brutal West with mid talent.
It’s ironic you keep up bring defence when offence is the reason the Celtics haven’t won a title the last two seasons.
I would have killed for Luka’s offence in the 2022 finals.
You really think it was the coach or there was a rivalry between KP and Luka?
Luka and the Mavs had a chance to reach the finals in 2022.
But GSW shut Luka down, forcing other Mavs players to beat them.
The end result was Luka as ineffective and Mavs lost the series 1-4.
Luka doesn't play well with other star players.
There's too much evidence to ignore the fact that great players are leaving Luka instead of embracing Luka.
Take the case of the Miami Heat.
Spo and the Heat have nowhere near the talent level the Mavs have right now.
But the Cs always end up having a tough time against Miami.
Reason is Miami plays hard and their defense is excellent.
Also, didn't Celtic fans not like the my turn your turn offense of the Jays in the past?
That's what Kyrie and Luka are doing now, my turn your turn.
Basketball is more than just about one individual.
As long as Luka continues to be so ball dominant, the Mavs will never come close to winning a championship.
Luka has to learn to sacrifice.
Rick Carlisle continually talked about how post ups weren’t worth it in the modern game. It’s on the record. It’s not some made up story. Kristaps also works better here because I think he’s taken a step back with his own ego. He was basically in the washed up scrap heap basket in Washington.
In Dallas he got injured and then traded the next season before they even had a chance to mesh together with a new coach.
Saying the Mavs had a chance to make the finals in 2022 like they should have is ridiculous. It was Luka and a developing Brunson against the eventual champs. Their roster was dog ****. Luka should be praised for dragging them to the WCF.
What great players are leaving Luka? Porzingis was traded. They badly messed up the Brunson deal.
They made the WCF with Brunson so pretty absurd to argue Luka can’t play with another star. If you’re going to point to Kyrie as evidence then I’d seriously question if you were asleep when Kyrie was here.
Kyrie is awful player to play next to and the only guy who ever got it to work properly was LeBron James.
The Mavs problem is they have no defensive identity and a lack of talent.
You point to Miami. They may not be blessed with offensive juggernauts but they always have a defensive identity, they’ve got Bam and one of the best coaches in the game. Doncic has Jason Kidd who is an awful coach and what else?
Trying to claim Doncic will never win anything based off him only making the WCF with the rosters he’s had is laughable.
You need the right talent to win in this league. Just look at how much better we became when Brad got Horford back and Rob Williams took a leap.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Well that’s the point.
They screwed up with Porzingis and Brunson.
Porzingis in particularly had a coach telling him he couldn’t post up.
Nothing to do with Luka.
They’re competing in a brutal West with mid talent.
It’s ironic you keep up bring defence when offence is the reason the Celtics haven’t won a title the last two seasons.
I would have killed for Luka’s offence in the 2022 finals.
You really think it was the coach or there was a rivalry between KP and Luka?
Luka and the Mavs had a chance to reach the finals in 2022.
But GSW shut Luka down, forcing other Mavs players to beat them.
The end result was Luka as ineffective and Mavs lost the series 1-4.
Luka doesn't play well with other star players.
There's too much evidence to ignore the fact that great players are leaving Luka instead of embracing Luka.
Take the case of the Miami Heat.
Spo and the Heat have nowhere near the talent level the Mavs have right now.
But the Cs always end up having a tough time against Miami.
Reason is Miami plays hard and their defense is excellent.
Also, didn't Celtic fans not like the my turn your turn offense of the Jays in the past?
That's what Kyrie and Luka are doing now, my turn your turn.
Basketball is more than just about one individual.
As long as Luka continues to be so ball dominant, the Mavs will never come close to winning a championship.
Luka has to learn to sacrifice.
Rick Carlisle continually talked about how post ups weren’t worth it in the modern game. It’s on the record. It’s not some made up story. Kristaps also works better here because I think he’s taken a step back with his own ego. He was basically in the washed up scrap heap basket in Washington.
In Dallas he got injured and then traded the next season before they even had a chance to mesh together with a new coach.
Saying the Mavs had a chance to make the finals in 2022 like they should have is ridiculous. It was Luka and a developing Brunson against the eventual champs. Their roster was dog ****. Luka should be praised for dragging them to the WCF.
What great players are leaving Luka? Porzingis was traded. They badly messed up the Brunson deal.
They made the WCF with Brunson so pretty absurd to argue Luka can’t play with another star. If you’re going to point to Kyrie as evidence then I’d seriously question if you were asleep when Kyrie was here.
Kyrie is awful player to play next to and the only guy who ever got it to work properly was LeBron James.
The Mavs problem is they have no defensive identity and a lack of talent.
You point to Miami. They may not be blessed with offensive juggernauts but they always have a defensive identity, they’ve got Bam and one of the best coaches in the game. Doncic has Jason Kidd who is an awful coach and what else?
Trying to claim Doncic will never win anything based off him only making the WCF with the rosters and him being ball dominant is laughable.
You need the right talent to win in this league. Just look at how much better we became when Brad got Horford back and Rob Williams took a leap.
You’re not winning **** in the West when your team is bad defensively. And before you try pin that all on Luka, remember that defence requires an elite rim protector and good defensive personnel.
Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:You really think it was the coach or there was a rivalry between KP and Luka?
Luka and the Mavs had a chance to reach the finals in 2022.
But GSW shut Luka down, forcing other Mavs players to beat them.
The end result was Luka as ineffective and Mavs lost the series 1-4.
Luka doesn't play well with other star players.
There's too much evidence to ignore the fact that great players are leaving Luka instead of embracing Luka.
Take the case of the Miami Heat.
Spo and the Heat have nowhere near the talent level the Mavs have right now.
But the Cs always end up having a tough time against Miami.
Reason is Miami plays hard and their defense is excellent.
Also, didn't Celtic fans not like the my turn your turn offense of the Jays in the past?
That's what Kyrie and Luka are doing now, my turn your turn.
Basketball is more than just about one individual.
As long as Luka continues to be so ball dominant, the Mavs will never come close to winning a championship.
Luka has to learn to sacrifice.
Rick Carlisle continually talked about how post ups weren’t worth it in the modern game. It’s on the record. It’s not some made up story. Kristaps also works better here because I think he’s taken a step back with his own ego. He was basically in the washed up scrap heap basket in Washington.
In Dallas he got injured and then traded the next season before they even had a chance to mesh together with a new coach.
Saying the Mavs had a chance to make the finals in 2022 like they should have is ridiculous. It was Luka and a developing Brunson against the eventual champs. Their roster was dog ****. Luka should be praised for dragging them to the WCF.
What great players are leaving Luka? Porzingis was traded. They badly messed up the Brunson deal.
They made the WCF with Brunson so pretty absurd to argue Luka can’t play with another star. If you’re going to point to Kyrie as evidence then I’d seriously question if you were asleep when Kyrie was here.
Kyrie is awful player to play next to and the only guy who ever got it to work properly was LeBron James.
The Mavs problem is they have no defensive identity and a lack of talent.
You point to Miami. They may not be blessed with offensive juggernauts but they always have a defensive identity, they’ve got Bam and one of the best coaches in the game. Doncic has Jason Kidd who is an awful coach and what else?
Trying to claim Doncic will never win anything based off him only making the WCF with the rosters he’s had is laughable.
You need the right talent to win in this league. Just look at how much better we became when Brad got Horford back and Rob Williams took a leap.
What doesn't show in the stat sheet is players around Luka are just standing or waiting for Luka to make something happen.
That's not exactly what we define as team basketball.
What's worse is Luka is so bad defensively, his teammates have to cover for him all the time.
If you're going to say Luka is a better offensive player than Tatum then I would agree.
But basketball is not just about offense, part of being a great basketball player is what you do on the defensive end.
Luka scoring 30 points is useless if on the other end he also gives up 30 points.
He's just too ball dominant and a horrible defensive player.
Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:You really think it was the coach or there was a rivalry between KP and Luka?
Luka and the Mavs had a chance to reach the finals in 2022.
But GSW shut Luka down, forcing other Mavs players to beat them.
The end result was Luka as ineffective and Mavs lost the series 1-4.
Luka doesn't play well with other star players.
There's too much evidence to ignore the fact that great players are leaving Luka instead of embracing Luka.
Take the case of the Miami Heat.
Spo and the Heat have nowhere near the talent level the Mavs have right now.
But the Cs always end up having a tough time against Miami.
Reason is Miami plays hard and their defense is excellent.
Also, didn't Celtic fans not like the my turn your turn offense of the Jays in the past?
That's what Kyrie and Luka are doing now, my turn your turn.
Basketball is more than just about one individual.
As long as Luka continues to be so ball dominant, the Mavs will never come close to winning a championship.
Luka has to learn to sacrifice.
Rick Carlisle continually talked about how post ups weren’t worth it in the modern game. It’s on the record. It’s not some made up story. Kristaps also works better here because I think he’s taken a step back with his own ego. He was basically in the washed up scrap heap basket in Washington.
In Dallas he got injured and then traded the next season before they even had a chance to mesh together with a new coach.
Saying the Mavs had a chance to make the finals in 2022 like they should have is ridiculous. It was Luka and a developing Brunson against the eventual champs. Their roster was dog ****. Luka should be praised for dragging them to the WCF.
What great players are leaving Luka? Porzingis was traded. They badly messed up the Brunson deal.
They made the WCF with Brunson so pretty absurd to argue Luka can’t play with another star. If you’re going to point to Kyrie as evidence then I’d seriously question if you were asleep when Kyrie was here.
Kyrie is awful player to play next to and the only guy who ever got it to work properly was LeBron James.
The Mavs problem is they have no defensive identity and a lack of talent.
You point to Miami. They may not be blessed with offensive juggernauts but they always have a defensive identity, they’ve got Bam and one of the best coaches in the game. Doncic has Jason Kidd who is an awful coach and what else?
Trying to claim Doncic will never win anything based off him only making the WCF with the rosters and him being ball dominant is laughable.
You need the right talent to win in this league. Just look at how much better we became when Brad got Horford back and Rob Williams took a leap.
You’re not winning **** in the West when your team is bad defensively. And before you try pin that all on Luka, remember that defence requires an elite rim protector and good defensive personnel.
First step to becoming a good defensive team is you have to be individually solid.
Steph is not a great defensive player, but he tries and puts in the effort.
Defensive schemes become useless when one player keeps getting beat on defense and his teammates always covers for him.
Luka is just horrible on defense.
Sooner or later the excuses will run out.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Fierce1 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Rick Carlisle continually talked about how post ups weren’t worth it in the modern game. It’s on the record. It’s not some made up story. Kristaps also works better here because I think he’s taken a step back with his own ego. He was basically in the washed up scrap heap basket in Washington.
In Dallas he got injured and then traded the next season before they even had a chance to mesh together with a new coach.
Saying the Mavs had a chance to make the finals in 2022 like they should have is ridiculous. It was Luka and a developing Brunson against the eventual champs. Their roster was dog ****. Luka should be praised for dragging them to the WCF.
What great players are leaving Luka? Porzingis was traded. They badly messed up the Brunson deal.
They made the WCF with Brunson so pretty absurd to argue Luka can’t play with another star. If you’re going to point to Kyrie as evidence then I’d seriously question if you were asleep when Kyrie was here.
Kyrie is awful player to play next to and the only guy who ever got it to work properly was LeBron James.
The Mavs problem is they have no defensive identity and a lack of talent.
You point to Miami. They may not be blessed with offensive juggernauts but they always have a defensive identity, they’ve got Bam and one of the best coaches in the game. Doncic has Jason Kidd who is an awful coach and what else?
Trying to claim Doncic will never win anything based off him only making the WCF with the rosters he’s had is laughable.
You need the right talent to win in this league. Just look at how much better we became when Brad got Horford back and Rob Williams took a leap.
What doesn't show in the stat sheet is players around Luka are just standing or waiting for Luka to make something happen.
That's not exactly what we define as team basketball.
What's worse is Luka is so bad defensively, his teammates have to cover for him all the time.
If you're going to say Luka is a better offensive player than Tatum then I would agree.
But basketball is not just about offense, part of being a great basketball player is what you do on the defensive end.
Luka scoring 30 points is useless if on the other end he also gives up 30 points.
He's just too ball dominant and a horrible defensive player.
Team basketball is all nice and well and works but it’s not necessarily the only way.
LeBron has four titles playing LeBron ball with his teammates being parked off to the sides offensively. Likewise the same with Giannis.
Luka is not actually that bad this year defensively, just a myth being pushed at this point. He’s not elite but he’s certainly no Trae Young or 2016 Isaiah Thomas.
You bring up teammates needing to cover for him, but that’s the thing they don’t. Steph Curry was always typically the weakest defender on the floor for the Warriors and was targeted. He had Draymond protecting the rim, Klay and Iggy covering on the perimeter.
I highly value defence and it wins titles but you can win a title despite your best player not being great on that end. The Nuggets just won a title with Jokic who continually gives up big numbers to opposing bigs.
Luka on the last two Celtics teams would have been an offensive cheat code and defensively they still would have been fine.
