Even The Celts Cavn't Figured Out How to Win Em All! Loss vs CLE 3/5

[The Corey's]

You’ve just completely contradicted yourself. If Joe’s the deciding factor (like you say) then he has to be part of the reason why we won lol

Comparing Ime to Joe last year is such an unfair take & you know it. One guy had years of experience as an assistant for some of the best coaches & a full training camp, the other had no experience as a lead assistant &was got thrown into the deep end a week before training camp.

I've not contradicted my self even one time.

Good coaching doesn't win games but bad coaching loses games.

Joe is a passenger.

I wouldn't even give him more credit than the Pritchards and Kornets of the world.

When was the last time a team won a championship that they had no business winning because of their coach?

MAYBE Rick Carlisle.

[Sweet Serenity]

I've not contradicted my self even one time.

Good coaching doesn't win games but bad coaching loses games.

Joe is a passenger.

I wouldn't even give him more credit than the Pritchards and Kornets of the world.

When was the last time a team won a championship that they had no business winning because of their coach?

MAYBE Rick Carlisle.

Mate good coaching has to play a factor in winning a championship. You can’t be serious with that statement ?

[Fierce1]

How much credit does Doc Rivers get for the ‘08 title? That’s about the amount of credit Joe gets. Competent coach with an overwhelmingly talented roster

That's good enough for the Cs to win multiple championships with this roster.

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

[Fierce1]

I also don't understand why championship or bust is a big deal.

This not like the 2008 Celtics where Pierce was 30, KG 31, and Ray 32 years old.
That Big 3 had a 2-3 years window.

This current Celtics team only has Al who most probably will only play one more season after this.

The rest of the team is young.

So if it's championship or bust then it will be championship or bust in 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, and maybe 2030 and beyond.

[The Corey's]

When was the last time a team won a championship that they had no business winning because of their coach?

MAYBE Rick Carlisle.

Mate good coaching has to play a factor in winning a championship. You can’t be serious with that statement ?

I think of the 4 major North Americn sports it matters the least.

The team with the best players wins every time.

Every now and then you get a 2004 pistons but for the most part you need a top 5 NBA player and you're golden.

Look at some of the bums who've won the title the last few years.

[The Corey's]

That's good enough for the Cs to win multiple championships with this roster.

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

[Sweet Serenity]

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league.

No one’s saying he should get all the credit because we obviously have a lot of talent on this team but he deserves some credit for getting us to the position we are now.

[Fierce1]

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

The worst thing that can happen is making the finals knowing you don't have a shot at winning the finals.

I prefer what happened last season because it turned things around.

After that Game 7 loss to Miami, Wyc Grousbeck went to Brad and told Brad we're not bringing this team back for next season.

The result was the trade of Marcus Smart.

If the Cs made it to the finals, Smart would still be a Celtic right now.

Joe was also criticized for making the Celtics a team that lives and dies by the 3.

Some of us kept asking for Brad to get a big man.

I said if the Cs got a competent big man and the Cs still continue to be a 3pt shooting team then that's on Joe.

But what happened this season?

The Cs got KP and the Cs are suddenly one of the teams that post up a lot.

Hope to hear from you once Joe raises that trophy in June.

[Fierce1]

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

[Sweet Serenity]

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

Denver would have kicked our arse

[Fierce1]

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

Denver would have kicked our arse

True.

Other than Jokic and Murray, Denver had Bruce Brown and Jeff Green last season.

Both those wings would've given the Jays a hard time.

This season the Nuggets are weaker at the wing with the loss of those two very good players.

[Triple7]

Tatum was ice cold in the second half. He should never have been the one to take the last shot but as he has done so often in the past, he reverted to hero ball. He’s not clutch. He banked in a lucky 3 pointer against philly 2 years ago and that’s been it. We got fix this late game execution stuff fast

I agree. If JT has it going, then taking the shot would have been fine. He was 1/11 in the 2nd half. He shouldn’t have been the one taking it. or if he plan on taking the shot, take it early. This one is on Joe. A timeout would have done a lot. Remind the players that they are down 1, and needed to take the shot early to extend the game, even on a miss. I think the play should have been for KP at the post. He just scored the last play. Also, he can easily pass the ball to a wide open teammate if doubled. Can shoot clutch free throws if fouled. Oh well, JT has dreams of grandeur, of taking the last second winning shot. Maybe this game will make him realize that hero ball ain’t the way.

[Triple7]

That's good enough for the Cs to win multiple championships with this roster.

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

I think we have a better chance than the heat, but i agree, we wouldn’t have beaten the nuggets. Also, JT would be branded a loser if we lost 2 finals in a row.

[Triple7]

So it's not Joe's fault on how they was playing last year and this year he gets the credit for how they are?

Losing the finals isn't great but it's better than not getting there.

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

This i agree 100. Getting rid of marcus smart as our starter and finisher, was well worth it of not getting to the finals last year.

[Fierce1]

Joe already left one title out there.

Even if the Cs got past Miami last season, there was no way the Cs were beating the Nuggets last season.

It would've been worse as the Cs would have lost 2 straight finals if the Cs beat Miami in Game 7 last season.

I think we have a better chance than the heat, but i agree, we wouldn’t have beaten the nuggets. Also, JT would be branded a loser if we lost 2 finals in a row.

Agree.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I understand it’s championship or bust.

But there’s a lot of posters here who are showing their true colours.

You’re going to complain and be upset by this game THIS much?

It’s probably a good idea for your mental health to stop posting and stop watching if that’s the case.

If you read this board and didn’t watch any NBA you’d think this season was like that awful Kyrie one where he quit and the team was a mess.

This has easily been the most fun season to watch for me since either 2018 or 2011 before Shaq got hurt.

Porzingis reminds me a bit of Shaq coming in and just having fun with everyone.

I get there’s some angst over the last two playoffs but if you can’t enjoy your team dominating a regular season and only occasionally losing why on earth are you even following basketball?

[Fencer reregistered]

One explanation for the energy in this long thread:

If somebody is inclined to be negative the post-game thread after a loss, they haven't had many opportunities for that this season.

[GrandTheftRondo]

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

This i agree 100. Getting rid of marcus smart as our starter and finisher, was well worth it of not getting to the finals last year.

Yep. Sometimes you have to fail along the way.

Winning a championship isn’t easy. We got **** KG and only ended up with 1 title because injury luck didn’t fall our way.

The Nuggets were in a similar boat. They made a WCF and gave the Lakers a good show but didn’t have enough juice. They go and get Gordon two seasons ago and he ends up being a massive piece in their run to a title.

Reality is the Celtics in 2022 got a bit lucky and made the finals with a bit of an incomplete team.

[Homerclease]

A lot of it was his fault but he was an unprepared first year coach coming up against the best coach in the league

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

Denver would have kicked our arse

Nonsense. We would’ve been betting favorites in that series. Saying we would’ve lost in the finals is just copium for blowing an ECF against an 8 seed that we should’ve dispatched in 5

[shackles10]

We should be thankful that loss to Miami in the east finals happened.

If the Cs made that historic come back from an 0-3 hole, we might not have KP now and Marcus Smart will still surely be a Celtic.

Denver would have kicked our arse

Nonsense. We would’ve been betting favorites in that series. Saying we would’ve lost in the finals is just copium for blowing an ECF against an 8 seed that we should’ve dispatched in 5

Still think we probably would have lost, but who knows really how it would have gone down if we came into it with good momentum and health. If we pulled out game 7, Tatum still would have had a hobbled ankle so while we may have been betting favorites we were the previous year as well and that didn't go in our favor.