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Fierce1 wrote:

Tyakack wrote:

Fierce1 wrote:Come on now, there are those who believe the Cs will win a championship despite of Joe.

That's just not true IMO.

If Joe is really bad at coaching, Cs will not even get to the finals.

Well, I personally think they will lose in the finals largely due to Joe. That aside though, do you really think every coach that has ever reached the finals was a good coach? I don't think you believe that.

The C's can still make the finals despite Joe because they have the best roster in the east. It's that simple. Talent is still king at the end of the day. You can overcome alot when you have alot of it.

Best roster in the east?

Some of the Cs fans here were saying Hali is better than JT.

Everybody agrees the Cs struggle executing in late game situations.

It's not just Joe, there are other flaws.

KillahGhostface wrote:

Fierce1 wrote:Guess it depends on who you ask.

I believe in Tatum and agree with putting more of the burden on him in the playoffs.

But there are those who say Tatum is not an alpha and he's inconsistent.

Inconsistent Tatum is looong gone.

And non alphas don’t drop 46 and 51 in playoff elimination games. That’s just the facts though, they don’t do well here.

Tyakack wrote:

Fierce1 wrote:

Tyakack wrote:
Well, I personally think they will lose in the finals largely due to Joe. That aside though, do you really think every coach that has ever reached the finals was a good coach? I don't think you believe that.

The C's can still make the finals despite Joe because they have the best roster in the east. It's that simple. Talent is still king at the end of the day. You can overcome alot when you have alot of it.

Best roster in the east?

Some of the Cs fans here were saying Hali is better than JT.

Everybody agrees the Cs struggle executing in late game situations.

It's not just Joe, there are other flaws.

Well that's just silly lol.

I'm not saying Joe deserves all the blame but he does deserve most of it, IMO. I think almost everyone here agrees this team has the talent to win it all. So now it's up to the coach to put them in the best position to succeed with that goal.

Setshot33 wrote:

KillahGhostface wrote:

Fierce1 wrote:Guess it depends on who you ask.

I believe in Tatum and agree with putting more of the burden on him in the playoffs.

But there are those who say Tatum is not an alpha and he's inconsistent.

Inconsistent Tatum is looong gone.

And non alphas don’t drop 46 and 51 in playoff elimination games. That’s just the facts though, they don’t do well here.

Scottie Pippen had high scoring games but no one would mistake him for an alpha player......

KillahGhostface wrote:

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tfmiii wrote:My concern is not that they lost, but [b]how they lost.[/b]

Several things, most touched on already:

Joe's seeming inability to react in real time:
We're facing a scrappy, dirty opponent - so why not find time for our scrappiest players? Oshae would help level the intensity/physicality deficit. Xavier, Springer, even Queta for limited minutes. But we'll live and die with 8.

Joe's inability to react extends to off/defense schemes. Others have spoken to this.

Joe not putting his players in a position to succeed - with respect to the schemes above, if players loses confidence in them and there are no adjustments then their intensity will flag. It's human nature when you feel like you're just shoveling sand against the tide.

Last thing I'll touch on is the weird passivity towards Miami dirty play, all 'stiff upper lip' ****. Why shouldn't Joe make a media discussion/storm out of Miami's questionable play? Put them and the league under the spotlight. If I were Joe I'd have catapulted on to the court when Bam wiped out DWhite on yet ANOTHER moving screen in game one, nevermind Martin's hipcheck.

The star players can be stoic, but the coach should be highlighting the illegal screens every chance he gets, for the press, the fans, the refs and the league - in part to have his players's back. I'll date myself but I remember Phil Jax claiming (falsely) that Dikembe deliberately put his face into Shaq's elbows to draw fouls - 'Deke leads with his beak.' Make Bam an issue, the podcasters will love chewing it over and it will trickle into the framing of the games. Highlighting Bam's moving screens has the additional virtue of being true.

smith2373 wrote:I know everyone is justifiably upset at the loss, believe me I am too. But I never expected the Celtics to sweep the Heat even without Butler & Rozier, the coaching advantage is just too lop-sided in their favor and this team is known for playing up/down to their competition

But just to put into perspective: Since the NBA switched to the best of 7 1st round series in 2003, only 5 of the 21 championship teams swept their first round opponent. In other words, almost 80% of championship teams over the last two decades have dropped a game in the 1st round

Yes this is pure copium off an embarrassing loss but gotta chalk it up and move on to the next

OpiumDose wrote:

smith2373 wrote:I know everyone is justifiably upset at the loss, believe me I am too. But I never expected the Celtics to sweep the Heat even without Butler & Rozier, the coaching advantage is just too lop-sided in their favor and this team is known for playing up/down to their competition

But just to put into perspective: Since the NBA switched to the best of 7 1st round series in 2003, only 5 of the 21 championship teams swept their first round opponent. In other words, almost 80% of championship teams over the last two decades have dropped a game in the 1st round

Yes this is pure copium off an embarrassing loss but gotta chalk it up and move on to the next

You're right, but I think the fact that it was a home game is the issue here - at least for me. They finished regular season with an impressive 37-4 at home and I expected them to defend their home court for a while - in my opinion that's what title contenders are supposed to do. Instead they dropped it against injury depleted 8th seed. It's frustrating and disappointing. If they had gone up 2-0 or 3-0 and then dropped one away game I don't think reaction would be as strong as it's right now.

OpiumDose wrote:

smith2373 wrote:I know everyone is justifiably upset at the loss, believe me I am too. But I never expected the Celtics to sweep the Heat even without Butler & Rozier, the coaching advantage is just too lop-sided in their favor and this team is known for playing up/down to their competition

But just to put into perspective: Since the NBA switched to the best of 7 1st round series in 2003, only 5 of the 21 championship teams swept their first round opponent. In other words, almost 80% of championship teams over the last two decades have dropped a game in the 1st round

Yes this is pure copium off an embarrassing loss but gotta chalk it up and move on to the next

You're right, but I think the fact that it was a home game is the issue here - at least for me. They finished regular season with an impressive 37-4 at home and I expected them to defend their home court for a while - in my opinion that's what title contenders are supposed to do. Instead they dropped it against injury depleted 8th seed. It's frustrating and disappointing. If they had gone up 2-0 or 3-0 and then dropped one away game I don't think reaction would be as strong as it's right now.

playa-hater wrote:I am one of the most Vocal critics of Joe here.

PierceFan4ever wrote:

OpiumDose wrote:

smith2373 wrote:I know everyone is justifiably upset at the loss, believe me I am too. But I never expected the Celtics to sweep the Heat even without Butler & Rozier, the coaching advantage is just too lop-sided in their favor and this team is known for playing up/down to their competition

But just to put into perspective: Since the NBA switched to the best of 7 1st round series in 2003, only 5 of the 21 championship teams swept their first round opponent. In other words, almost 80% of championship teams over the last two decades have dropped a game in the 1st round

Yes this is pure copium off an embarrassing loss but gotta chalk it up and move on to the next

You're right, but I think the fact that it was a home game is the issue here - at least for me. They finished regular season with an impressive 37-4 at home and I expected them to defend their home court for a while - in my opinion that's what title contenders are supposed to do. Instead they dropped it against injury depleted 8th seed. It's frustrating and disappointing. If they had gone up 2-0 or 3-0 and then dropped one away game I don't think reaction would be as strong as it's right now.

Bingo. It’s the fact this team always losses home games throughout the playoffs which is why each series goes 6-7 games. They couldn’t take care of home court against the hawks after making it a priority last season to protect home court. This season they talked about protecting home court and did so during the regular season but right away in game 2 they already dropped one against an 8th seeded team which is a concern for the later series if the Celtics even advance.

smith2373 wrote:

PierceFan4ever wrote:

OpiumDose wrote:
You're right, but I think the fact that it was a home game is the issue here - at least for me. They finished regular season with an impressive 37-4 at home and I expected them to defend their home court for a while - in my opinion that's what title contenders are supposed to do. Instead they dropped it against injury depleted 8th seed. It's frustrating and disappointing. If they had gone up 2-0 or 3-0 and then dropped one away game I don't think reaction would be as strong as it's right now.

Bingo. It’s the fact this team always losses home games throughout the playoffs which is why each series goes 6-7 games. They couldn’t take care of home court against the hawks after making it a priority last season to protect home court. This season they talked about protecting home court and did so during the regular season but right away in game 2 they already dropped one against an 8th seeded team which is a concern for the later series if the Celtics even advance.

Celtics haven’t had a winning record at home in the playoffs since 2018

2023: 5-6
2022: 6-6
2021: 1-1
2019: 2-2
2018: 10-1

We’ve dropped a home game in 10 of our last 12
playoff series (excluding the bubble) with multiple losses in 6 of those 10 series

It’s baffling how much this team struggles