Were Probably Done, But Lets All 100% Real...

[bru87tr]

no one can say I said we didnt have a chance. but many put words in others mouths.

[bru87tr]

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I say negative stuff about the team all of the time and point out weaknesses. There is a difference between doing that and just being unnecessarily negative and saying we have no chance of winning and crap like that.

show me where I said we have no chance, point it out.

[meatball sub]

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2. Robert Smith is very real and his antics led him to be banned, several members of the board have IM conversations with him, and the reason I am writing this is he sent me an angry email about the post.

CLASSIC.

[TommyPoints]

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show me where I said we have no chance, point it out.

I didn't say you did, but you were basically being defensive over what people were saying and that is what people were being critical about. Nobody has to be positive all of the time, but some people just go overboard with the negativity.

[GuyClinch]

What's stupid to me is that if anyone on this team criticizes something that they see with the team, an individual, etc., they are immediately branded as a hater, disloyal fan, etc. That's just ridiculous. The whole entire business of putting a winning franchise out on the floor is a process of constant evaluation of who you are putting out on the floor and the product that they produce together. Sometimes that evaluation is going to be negative. It doesn't mean that you hate the team.

That's a load of crap. That NEVER happens. People don't get criticized for talking about problems with the team. Most posters talk about problems with the team.. most people are not branded haters.

It's the habit of predicting doom and gloom for your team (on scant or suspect evidence) and then defending that notion that gets you branded. It's the consistent predilection for doom and gloom that you see in some posters that gets your branded.

When you see a poster consistently negative in his posting history despite the changing fortunes of the C's (for the better) and the removal of the problems (the not so talented players) people will brand them as negative.

No doubt SOME people get falsely accused but more often then not - there is an element of truth to the accusation, IMHO. Haters are a real problem on the internet. There are haters of virtually EVERYTHING that inhabit virtually EVERY message board about EVERY topic.

These people gain enjoyment not in the success of a player or team but in the downfall of a player or sometimes an entire team.

As for Robert Smith being a "creation" LMAO. Just because he stuck up for Pierce (correctly IMHO) and you were part of the crew that though he was holding the C's back don't try to rope the guy into this.

He is a common kind of poster - a fan of a particular player.. Some other posters are fans of an entire team most are variation combinations of both. But to deny the existence of haters of players or teams based on some "its just criticism" defense is hogwash.

When a "fan" claims they have absolutely NO DOUBT there team will lose without some evidence for that situation it's hard to take them seriously as a fan.

That's not to say they are bad person or even stupid - just not a fan unless we are limiting the word "fan" to someone who just watches the team rather then roots for it.

Pete

[tlee324]

What was interesting with Smith was that he'd jump all over you if you didn't give Pierce the entire credit for everything good at all times. If you thought Jefferson or someone else had a great game and didn't mention enough of Pierce, he'd go nuts. I love Pierce and have stuck up for him over a thousand times, but it was interesting how far Smith took it.

[Rondo_Fan]

Pete, you've got to be kidding.

People "NEVER" get branded haters for criticizing the team? Use your search feature...

And as for Pierce, I've always liked his game, I just never thought that he was the guy that would lead the Celtics to a championship. He's the only guy on our team who could have a game like he did game 7 against the Cavaliers, no question about it, but there is no way in hell that he would ever have been able to produce 16 games like that in the NBA playoffs and lead us to a championship. Those of us who have been through multiple championship seasons know that. Someday you will know it too, and claim it as if it were your own insight. If it was "Pierce against the world ball" this year, then we would have had maybe two or three or more individual performances like Pierce's game 7 against Cleveland instead of only one, spectacular highlights which everybody will talk about for years, but we probably lose to Atlanta, and we certainly lose to Cleveland, even with KG on the team.

[Spin Move]

What was interesting with Smith was that he'd jump all over you if you didn't give Pierce the entire credit for everything good at all times. If you thought Jefferson or someone else had a great game and didn't mention enough of Pierce, he'd go nuts. I love Pierce and have stuck up for him over a thousand times, but it was interesting how far Smith took it.

This is from Dr. Smith in Response, guys don't kick a guy who can't kick back (he is banned and can't post to refute these things.

"That is absolutely categorically untrue. I always gave credit when credit was due to other people as well as Paul - always. I am a hardcore fan of Paul Pierce and the Boston Celtics. What burned my ass was the consistently hateful, distorted, inaccurate, fallacious anti-Pierce garbage posted by Pierce-underappreciating mofos like Rondo_fan, Toecutter and the infamous Curmudgeon. Rondo_fan has the gall now to "praise" Paul at times with no reference to the fact that he used to refer to Paul as "another bozo on the bus" who should be traded for someone like Corey Maggete or signed for the MLE - classic hypocrisy - as expected from someone of his pathetic ilk. "

[SeizeCoup]

If the Celtics win one in Detroit, I'll change my avatar to a Pistons player...and put I'm a complete loser in my sig.

[MyInsatiableOne]

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I know, too little too late. He should just take the self-banishment like JoeBiscuit did.

[GuyClinch]

And as for Pierce, I've always liked his game, I just never thought that he was the guy that would lead the Celtics to a championship. He's the only guy on our team who could have a game like he did game 7 against the Cavaliers, no question about it, but there is no way in hell that he would ever have been able to produce 16 games like that in the NBA playoffs and lead us to a championship.

Oh please - who the heck is going to produce 16 games lke that? LMAO. Dude you were dead wrong about Pierce.

Truthfully I found Toecutter, Wigglestrue, Curm, and all your Pierce hating pals postively amusing. They took the best player on a team - a mutiple all-star and tried to convince people that he was a bad player..

It's kind of an amazing feat to even attempt.. It's like denying the existence of the sun.. As for Dr. Smith it's amazing he had to even wage that "battle."

The rest of the basketball fandom and virtually anyone you asked on the street knew that PP was the only good player on the entire Celtics roster for a few years running..

As I have said before that was the MAIN argument on these boards for years. Was PP a great player held back by a crappy team or a overrated player on a talented team..? I think his injury showed the people the answer to that question as has this season and his play with Garnett.

Now the Pierce hating crowd is in hiding - no doubt praying he doesn't end up on the cover of Sports Illustrated trophy in hand..

Pete

[Rondo_Fan]

Pete,

I think you need to reread our posts on Pierce and Garnett.

I was always very careful to give Pierce his due as a player. I just pointed out his shortcomings as a leader on the team, and pointed out how Garnett had changed the culture on the team.

Shortly after we had our exchanges, a spate of articles and news reports came out supporting in pretty much every particular what I was saying--that Garnett had changed the culture on the Celtics, gotten everyone to play defense, etc. I mean, it was almost an embarrassing amount of support for my position. And the same theme has been sounded relentlessly since, by most of the national and local analysts that I read--not without exception--but most of them.

Paul Pierce is now playing exactly as we have wanted to him to play for years, i.e., selflessly, not taking defensive positions off, etc. Again, you pretty much can't turn on the T.V. without hearing comments along those lines. Yet you see the same guy that you've always seen, who hasn't changed a bit. Hmmmm....

It doesn't mean that your position is wrong. Maybe Pierce is the main reason for the Celtics success. Maybe his approach to the game has always been the same. I've been wrong about a lot of things before, and I'll be wrong about a lot of things in the future. And all of the analysts who credit the Celtics' turnaround to Garnett might be wrong too. I mean that sincerely.

But you definitely are wrong for misstating my position on Pierce. I've always liked him as a player. I just saw him as a #2 guy on a championship team, not a #1 guy. And pretty much everyone in basketball, including all 30 real GMs, will see him as the #2 guy on a championship team, if we happen to win this one. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how you can equate saying that Pierce is good enough to be the #2 guy on a championship team as "hating" him. I mean, being the #2 guy on a championship team is pretty rarefied air. It makes you a very special player. It just doesn't make you #1.

Also, on a comical side note:

What's stupid to me is that if anyone on this team criticizes something that they see with the team, an individual, etc., they are immediately branded as a hater, disloyal fan, etc. That's just ridiculous. The whole entire business of putting a winning franchise out on the floor is a process of constant evaluation of who you are putting out on the floor and the product that they produce together. Sometimes that evaluation is going to be negative. It doesn't mean that you hate the team.

That's a load of crap. That NEVER happens.

Truthfully I found Toecutter, Wigglestrue, Curm, and all your Pierce hating pals postively amusing...

Now the Pierce hating crowd is in hiding

You can't make it up. You just can not make it up... And you probably take yourself seriously.