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Re: Draft Time 

Post#521 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:49 am

From Draft Express:

"Statistically, you’d be hard pressed to find a player who has turned himself around as much as Giddens. His scoring averages remain largely the same as last year, but his shooting percentages have rocketed up to impressive heights (from 44 to 51%), largely due to the fact that he’s attempting quite a few less 3-pointers (5.2 to 2.3 per game), while also getting to the free throw line at a better rate. Giddens is rebounding the ball exceptionally well (leading the entire Mountain West Conference in this category at 8.6 per game), and has unconventionally seen his assists rise (from 2.3 to 3.0 per game) while his turnovers dropped (2.7 to 2.1) simultaneously. He’s also blocking 1.2 shots per game, and picking up 1.4 steals. In case you need it spelled out…all indications seem to be that the light bulb has come on for him in a major way in his senior season. He in fact ranks 2nd amongst all shooting guard prospects in the very interesting “Win Score” statistic."

Giddens has a 6-11.25" wingspan, and by all accounts was a good/great defensive player. Definitely not a good shooter, but he seems to know that, as he chopped down his 3 point attempts as a senior and his FG% rocketed up. I liked this quote from him as well, perhaps he finally has 'gotten it' and could be a nice role player in a few years:

“I want to make guys around me better and win games. I won’t necessarily go out and score a lot of points all the time, but I’ll do all the little things that are important. If I can get an open shot on the outside for a shooter or drive and give my teammate and easy lay up, I’m going to do that. I have a big desire to win, and if I don’t win, I’m going down swinging.”

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/J.R.-Giddens-74/
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#522 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:50 am

You know it andy...
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Post#523 » by Bleedsgreen » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:51 am

Crazy thought and sure be sacrilege here but perhaps the Drafts was Chris Wallace and not Danny Ainge. Either from the scouting side to the picking side, Wallace was known for making prospective recruiting booklets. And did remember seeing a article talking to wallace talking abut how he drafted Jefferson and Gomes that he liked them and scouted them.
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Post#524 » by sunshinekids99 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:51 am

Well atleast Giddens is saying the right things. Hopefully it can work out for him here.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#525 » by meatball sub » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:51 am

The Clippers would pick DeAndre Jordan. L-O-L
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#526 » by GregB » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am

andy582 wrote:Anybody gonna watch through pick 60?



I will be there.

I miss TNT though they used to play above the rim afterwards.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#527 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am

Albin wrote:
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Albin wrote:why take him with Gabe on the roster.. I don't see the sense in it with Bill Walker on the board.

Because he and Gabe are totally different players. Pruitt is an outside shooter and a PG/SG who can distribute and be a defensive player against big PGs.

Giddens is a SG/SF (6-11.25" wingspan) who is a good/great rebounder for his height (8.8 RPG) and very active on defense. He is a bad shooter and has had the 'immature' label on him since he stepped onto campus in Kansas, right on through to transferring out. Apparently Thibodeau has convinced Danny that defense is paramount, since I think that is the only place where Giddens will be able to help us significantly in the first 2 years. And at 23 it's not like he's a youngster.


Oh, he was that Kansas kid.. I remember him now. Hmmm... yeah. He was a pretty tough kid if I remember correctly. He was a very good high school player too IIRC... still... *shrug*

We'll see.

I certainly can't see it with Bill Walker on the board.

I think a LOT of people are scared to death of Bill Walker's knee. Not to mention he's definitely not a better defender or rebounder than Giddens. Giddens can step in and replace Tony Allen's production by 85% for half the cost or less. I think Walker would really struggle to play at all the first year or more, and his knee would always be a nagging concern. I'm honestly more surprised they passed on CDR, as I thought he was a solid athlete, great scorer, good defender. Not nearly the rebounder, athlete, or even passer that Giddens is though I suppose.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#528 » by MVP16 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am

I haven't seen Giddens play, but just looking at his numbers, I like the fact that he averaged 8.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks. This shows me that he knows how to use his athleticism, unlike Gerald Green who had no clue how to use his athleticism for things other then dunking.
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Post#529 » by kb1171 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:55 am

I know not everyone loves Hollinger but for what its worth his pre draft PER for Giddens was 9.16 which is epically bad. For comparison Mario Chalmers is a 14.03, Derick Rose 14.69. CDR was 12.78
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Post#530 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:56 am

Well, to be fair, had you thrown Giddens into the NBA at 18 like GMoney, he likely would've failed too. He was the same athletic freak with limitless upside and negative maturity. He never would've been humbled by his experiences in Kansas and never given the time college provides to players to hone their games. Now Green is out of the NBA and unlikely to ever make it, while Giddens is now a member of the defending champs.
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Re: Draft Time 

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Post#532 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:58 am

kb1171 wrote:I know not everyone loves Hollinger but for what its worth his pre draft PER for Giddens was 9.16 which is epically bad. For comparison Mario Chalmers is a 14.03, Derick Rose 14.69. CDR was 12.78

That's because his projections heavily weight age, and for guards his projections favor people who pass it and hit 3s a ton. Giddens has a SF/PF game but plays it at SG. He rebounds, defends, blocks shots, and scores in the paint. Had Giddens been put into the 'big man' PER projection, I bet it would've been 3-4 points higher. As GuyClinch likes to point out, Hollinger's PER stat is only as good as the tweaks Hollinger makes it.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#533 » by theman » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:59 am

andy582 wrote:Anybody gonna watch through pick 60?


Yep.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#534 » by meatball sub » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:59 am

The Bucks made two bad selections tonight with Alexander and Luc Richard IMO...
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#535 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:01 am

The Bucks just got Richard Jeferson and take two more wings?
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Post#536 » by kb1171 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:02 am

Believe me I understand the problems with the system, just wanted to point it out as another piece of information.
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Post#537 » by PPAW4Life » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:04 am

Don't know much about this guy, but when I saw the highlights after the pick was made, I said he was an athletic James Posey...then I changed my mind....he's really Caron Butler.
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#538 » by theman » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:11 am

Speaking of Deandre Jordan, could he turn out to be another Loren Woods?
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Post#539 » by theman » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:18 am

Bleedsgreen wrote:Crazy thought and sure be sacrilege here but perhaps the Drafts was Chris Wallace and not Danny Ainge. Either from the scouting side to the picking side, Wallace was known for making prospective recruiting booklets. And did remember seeing a article talking to wallace talking abut how he drafted Jefferson and Gomes that he liked them and scouted them.
Just a crazy thought


One has to wonder. Time will tell.

I really won't Greene and I;m sick that Memphis got him.

But on the bright side I usually suck at making draft picks so... :D
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Re: Draft Time 

Post#540 » by cloverleaf » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:19 am

Gomes3PC wrote:Well, to be fair, had you thrown Giddens into the NBA at 18 like GMoney, he likely would've failed too. He was the same athletic freak with limitless upside and negative maturity. He never would've been humbled by his experiences in Kansas and never given the time college provides to players to hone their games. Now Green is out of the NBA and unlikely to ever make it, while Giddens is now a member of the defending champs.


Interesting comparison. Might he be what GG could have become, had he gone the college route?

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