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Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am
by GregB
andy582 wrote:Anybody gonna watch through pick 60?
I will be there.
I miss TNT though they used to play above the rim afterwards.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am
by Gomes3PC
Albin wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:Albin wrote:why take him with Gabe on the roster.. I don't see the sense in it with Bill Walker on the board.
Because he and Gabe are totally different players. Pruitt is an outside shooter and a PG/SG who can distribute and be a defensive player against big PGs.
Giddens is a SG/SF (6-11.25" wingspan) who is a good/great rebounder for his height (8.8 RPG) and very active on defense. He is a bad shooter and has had the 'immature' label on him since he stepped onto campus in Kansas, right on through to transferring out. Apparently Thibodeau has convinced Danny that defense is paramount, since I think that is the only place where Giddens will be able to help us significantly in the first 2 years. And at 23 it's not like he's a youngster.
Oh, he was that Kansas kid.. I remember him now. Hmmm... yeah. He was a pretty tough kid if I remember correctly. He was a very good high school player too IIRC... still... *shrug*
We'll see.
I certainly can't see it with Bill Walker on the board.
I think a LOT of people are scared to death of Bill Walker's knee. Not to mention he's definitely not a better defender or rebounder than Giddens. Giddens can step in and replace Tony Allen's production by 85% for half the cost or less. I think Walker would really struggle to play at all the first year or more, and his knee would always be a nagging concern. I'm honestly more surprised they passed on CDR, as I thought he was a solid athlete, great scorer, good defender. Not nearly the rebounder, athlete, or even passer that Giddens is though I suppose.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 am
by MVP16
I haven't seen Giddens play, but just looking at his numbers, I like the fact that he averaged 8.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks. This shows me that he knows how to use his athleticism, unlike Gerald Green who had no clue how to use his athleticism for things other then dunking.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:55 am
by kb1171
I know not everyone loves Hollinger but for what its worth his pre draft PER for Giddens was 9.16 which is epically bad. For comparison Mario Chalmers is a 14.03, Derick Rose 14.69. CDR was 12.78
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:56 am
by Gomes3PC
Well, to be fair, had you thrown Giddens into the NBA at 18 like GMoney, he likely would've failed too. He was the same athletic freak with limitless upside and negative maturity. He never would've been humbled by his experiences in Kansas and never given the time college provides to players to hone their games. Now Green is out of the NBA and unlikely to ever make it, while Giddens is now a member of the defending champs.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:56 am
by Who-rod
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:58 am
by Gomes3PC
kb1171 wrote:I know not everyone loves Hollinger but for what its worth his pre draft PER for Giddens was 9.16 which is epically bad. For comparison Mario Chalmers is a 14.03, Derick Rose 14.69. CDR was 12.78
That's because his projections heavily weight age, and for guards his projections favor people who pass it and hit 3s a ton. Giddens has a SF/PF game but plays it at SG. He rebounds, defends, blocks shots, and scores in the paint. Had Giddens been put into the 'big man' PER projection, I bet it would've been 3-4 points higher. As GuyClinch likes to point out, Hollinger's PER stat is only as good as the tweaks Hollinger makes it.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:59 am
by theman
andy582 wrote:Anybody gonna watch through pick 60?
Yep.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:59 am
by meatball sub
The Bucks made two bad selections tonight with Alexander and Luc Richard IMO...
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:01 am
by Banks2Pierce
The Bucks just got Richard Jeferson and take two more wings?
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:02 am
by kb1171
Believe me I understand the problems with the system, just wanted to point it out as another piece of information.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:04 am
by PPAW4Life
Don't know much about this guy, but when I saw the highlights after the pick was made, I said he was an athletic James Posey...then I changed my mind....he's really Caron Butler.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:11 am
by theman
Speaking of Deandre Jordan, could he turn out to be another Loren Woods?
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:18 am
by theman
Bleedsgreen wrote:Crazy thought and sure be sacrilege here but perhaps the Drafts was Chris Wallace and not Danny Ainge. Either from the scouting side to the picking side, Wallace was known for making prospective recruiting booklets. And did remember seeing a article talking to wallace talking abut how he drafted Jefferson and Gomes that he liked them and scouted them.
Just a crazy thought
One has to wonder. Time will tell.
I really won't Greene and I;m sick that Memphis got him.
But on the bright side I usually suck at making draft picks so...
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:19 am
by cloverleaf
Gomes3PC wrote:Well, to be fair, had you thrown Giddens into the NBA at 18 like GMoney, he likely would've failed too. He was the same athletic freak with limitless upside and negative maturity. He never would've been humbled by his experiences in Kansas and never given the time college provides to players to hone their games. Now Green is out of the NBA and unlikely to ever make it, while Giddens is now a member of the defending champs.
Interesting comparison. Might he be what GG could have become, had he gone the college route?
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:20 am
by Andrew McCeltic
Greene would be a nice pick-up, it's possible we could get him in a trade if Memphis wants a future pick. They've already got Rudy Gay to play the 3.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:24 am
by theman
Could we get Jamont Gordon at 60?
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:25 am
by Banks2Pierce
Any interesting guys left out there? The ones I know are Shan Foster, Hendrix, and Demarcus Nelson. A couple SEC guys and an ACC guy.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:26 am
by Celts17Pride
theman wrote:Could we get Jamont Gordon at 60?
Devon Hardin would be nice. Wishful thinking.
Re: Draft Time
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:27 am
by eloper
andy582 wrote:Greene would be a nice pick-up, it's possible we could get him in a trade if Memphis wants a future pick. They've already got Rudy Gay to play the 3.
I'd love Donte, he reminds me a lot of Rashard Lewis, for better or for worse....but at the end of the first round you take that any day. Unfortunately I think he'll be staying in Memphis...