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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#16 » by Marley2Hendrix » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:38 pm

PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#17 » by meatball sub » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:19 pm

Redick sucks but he'd be money on our team. That's how I feel about a lot of these free agents, if you can't succeed on this team then you're truly a **** bum.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#18 » by Tricky Ricky » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:36 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.


Exactly, I think the op has it the wrong way, I think its the average fans that think House is more than a shooter, not only a shooter
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#19 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:55 pm

I like Eddie House, but he's pretty replaceable. He does one thing well- shoot. He's never been a strong defender, ball-handler, or rebounder. He doesn't provide much size. He's got a lightning quick shot and he's a really nice guy, but those aren't reasons why I'd give him more than a year or two extension. There's a reason why he has been a journeyman- he's just not a key cog.

If a guy like Lue or another good-shooting PG with better ball skills than Eddie can come here at the vet minimum, then I'll thank House for his time and send him on his way. I think Pruitt can do 80-90% of the shooting that House provides, with better ballhandling, better size/length, and better defense.

I know we had a 22 year layoff between titles, but that does not mean we have to get nostalgic with all the players that helped us win a title. Imagine if Theo had kept guys like Dave Roberts and Pedro around, rather than let them go when another team overpaid and gave too many years? There's no way the Sox would be defending champs and favorites for another WS appearance. Ainge and co. have to continue with a similar forward-looking mentality. You don't pay guys for what they've done. You pay them for what you expect them to do over the life of the contract you offer.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#20 » by PPAW4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:05 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.


Lue is a good backup PG but he is not nearly the dead eye shooter that Eddie House is and Lue has a penchant to get hurt. Eddie House has played his role very well where ever he's gone and if you'd rather have Lue over House at the same price then we'll just have to disagree.

Vujacic got beat on more than just one play - I seriously hope you were watching the entire NBA Finals to know that he isn't a good one on one defender and an average team defender at best, He certainly is an above average fake-hustle player though so he may be able to trick some fans into thinking he's trying....I'm just not one of them.

Both Posey and House could have gone else where last year for more money but ultimately decided to come to Boston to do something special. They contributed and should be brought back at a reasonable price and raise.

The vet. minimum and 2-year MLE deal is not good enough.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#21 » by Gomes3PC » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:57 am

Lue: 43.7% FG shooter, 38.9% 3PT shooter
House: 40.8% FG shooter, 38.3% 3PT shooter

House shoots a few more 3's per 36 minutes (5.6 vs. 3.3), but it's not like Lue is afraid to shoot. And Lue is much better at dribbling, passing, and scoring off the dribble.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#22 » by shackles10 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:32 am

Let's stop pretending like they took discounts to come here last year too. Nobody was offering more or they would have taken it because it's not like we were without questionmarks coming into the season last year for them to think they could just come in and win it all or something. I'm sure other teams offered the same as we did or around it, and then they decided we had the best situation out of those other teams, but in no way do I think they passed up on better offers.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#23 » by GuyClinch » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:22 am

Both Posey and House could have gone else where last year for more money but ultimately decided to come to Boston to do something special. They contributed and should be brought back at a reasonable price and raise.


No. They signed with us because they knew we would be good - and thus showcase their talents. From a business perspective so far it's proving a wise decision. Had Posey toiled another year down in Miami - with his team stinking do you think he would have commanded a MAX MLE 4 year deal?! Hell no.

Likewise House was a journeyman player - coming off a decent year on a rather mediocre NJ team. He probably would not get mutiple years either. GMs are reacting to the flavors of the month.

I liked both players - I thought the were underrated coming here. But now they are being overrated and overpaid. That's a predictable result when you get so much face time on a world championship team. I suspect Ainge new this would happen..

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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#24 » by cisco » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:41 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:Lue: 43.7% FG shooter, 38.9% 3PT shooter
House: 40.8% FG shooter, 38.3% 3PT shooter

House shoots a few more 3's per 36 minutes (5.6 vs. 3.3), but it's not like Lue is afraid to shoot. And Lue is much better at dribbling, passing, and scoring off the dribble.



Well Lue signed with another team so it doesn't matter now. House is the best backup point left out there imo. I guess Marbury is a better player, but no way is he a better fit. He'd want to start or at least play a lot of minutes. He wouldn't be happy playing only 15 mpg.

Bring back House, give him 2 years.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#25 » by SLCceltic » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:22 pm

I'd go as high as 4yrs/10-12mill---backloaded of course


Eddie always disappeared in the big games before knocking down some huge shots
in huge situations this year---he has gotten to the next level
and is now worth some money and years
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#26 » by celticfan42487 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:48 pm

I don't know, next year isn't our last and we don't want to strip our cap paying for this year when we could spend more wisely next year.

Giving House 2 mil this year (essentially the Bi price) may cost going full MLE and overpaying someone for next year.

House is now among the top contenders for backup PG position, but depending on how confident Ainge is with our team and who we bring in you never know who is the best. If Ainge looks and sees that Ricky Davis is his best option. Well then maybe for PG he goes with teh vet min for Darell Armstrong and hands the keys over to Pruitt for backup PG since Ricky will provide plenty of offense and would be better complimented by an on-ball defender like Darell in the playoffs rather then a pure shooter like House at a higher price.

Who knowes what's going on but since Lue's gone, now it may be down to Armstrong,House,Williams. Lots of ways our team could go and I don't think it will happen till August like last year that we will actually know when teh first chip falls.
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