Oswalt vs. Webb

[Baller 24]

Who would you pick as your franchise pitcher to start around?

Roy Oswalt
ERA: SO: W-L: WHIP:
2.73 144 14-3 1.059
3.01 208 19-9 1.189
2.97 108 10-5 1.139
3.49 206 20-10 1.245
2.94 184 20-12 1.204
2.98 166 15-8 1.169
1.08 7 1-0 0.720

Brandon Webb:
ERA: SO: W-L: WHIP:
2.84 172 10-9 1.151
3.59 164 7-16 1.505
3.54 172 14-12 1.258
3.10 178 16-8 1.132
4.50 13 1-0 1.750

[Manhattan Project]

Oswalt easily, Ill always go power over finesse.

[bigboy1234]

Well that finesse pitcher you talk about had a better K/9 and total strikeouts last year, so that power of Oswalt must really be good.

Oh, and I take Webb, two years younger, and has led the game in xFIP the past 2 years, yes better than Santana.

[diamondbacker]

What exactly is xFIP. Is it some kind of Fielding Independent Pitching stat?

As the better pitcher so far, I say Oswalt, but to build around, I say Webb.

[TMU]

I will take the midget

[bigboy1234]

What exactly is xFIP. Is it some kind of Fielding Independent Pitching stat?

FIP:

Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded. FIP was invented by Tangotiger.

xFIP:

Expected Fielding Independent Pitching. This is an experimental stat that adjusts FIP and "normalizes" the home run component. Research has shown that home runs allowed are pretty much a function of flyballs allowed and home park, so xFIP is based on the average number of home runs allowed per outfield fly. Theoretically, this should be a better predicter of a pitcher's future ERA.

[Manhattan Project]

Well that finesse pitcher you talk about had a better K/9 and total strikeouts last year, so that power of Oswalt must really be good.

Oh, and I take Webb, two years younger, and has led the game in xFIP the past 2 years, yes better than Santana.

Slightly better percentage, not like the difference is that big where my comment is completely foolish. Over the course of there respective years Oswalt has been the better pitcher, more complete games and eats more innings.

[bigboy1234]

Over the course of there respective years Oswalt has been the better pitcher, more complete games and eats more innings.

See now thats not really true either. Over the past 2 years Webb has averaged 232 IP and 3 CG a year, Oswalt 231 IP and 3 CG a year, pretty even. Really there both great pitchers, I just prefer Webb, although it's really close.

[Bow2Yao11]

It's very close...Both are great WHIP pitchers who don't walk a lot of men and have great ERA's. I'll take Oswalt because of what he has accomplished pitching at a hitter's park like Minute Maid.

[sunshinekids99]

I'll take Oswalt, but you can't really go wrong either way.

[kg2005]

I'd take Webb.

[diamondbacker]

It's very close...Both are great WHIP pitchers who don't walk a lot of men and have great ERA's. I'll take Oswalt because of what he has accomplished pitching at a hitter's park like Minute Maid.

Then, if you put Oswalt up on a pedestal because he pitches in a hitter's park, check out Chase Field, where Webb pitches. It's EVEN MORE of a hitters' park than Minute Maid, so you can't put Oswalt above Webb based on home park.

PARK FACTORS
(2006) Chase: 1.141 (R), 1.343 (HR)
Juicebox: 1.034 (R), 1.171 (HR)
(2005) Chase: 1.078 (R), 1.046 (HR)
Juicebox: 0.949 (R), 1.195 (HR)

(ESPN)

This shows that Chase Field has consistently been more of a hitters park than Minute Maid, and in 05, Minute Maid was a pitchers park, thus consistently giving Webb a harder park to pitch in.
(The numbers are based off actual stats)
PF = ((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))
PF over 1 favors hitters. Under 1 favors pitchers.

[Bow2Yao11]

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Check out these dimensions:

Chase Field

Left Field - 330 ft / 101 m
Left-Center - 374 ft / 114 m
Left-Center (deep) - 413 ft / 126 m
Center Field - 407 ft / 124 m
Right-Center (deep) - 413 ft / 126 m
Right-Center - 374 ft / 114 m
Right Field - 334 ft / 102 m

Minute Maid

Left Field - 315 ft (96 m)
Left-Center - 362 ft (110 m)
Left-Center (deep) - 404 ft (123 m)
Center Field - 435 ft (133 m)
Right-Center - 373 ft (114 m)
Right Field - 326 ft (99 m)



Other than CF, Chase's dimensions are larger. That makes Minute Maid a harder place to pitch.

[diamondbacker]

Chase Field has the highest altitude of any park not named Coors. Dimensions can be misleading - the park factors are based off of actual statistics on runs scored the past few seasons. Dimensions can help a pitcher, but many times they can be misleading because of a pitcher's pitching style, and how that is affected by dimensions.

Also, B-Webb has been playing for some pretty crappy clubs with horrible defense, whereas Roy-O has gotten good D from his contending Astros, withguys like Everett, etc.

I don't mean to be pestering, I just think that park facotrs and runs scored are more concrete evidence on how a ballpark has played over the past few years.

Personally, I think it's a wash, and I just think picking one RIGHT NOW is just a matter of personal preference, yours obviously being Oswalt and mine obviously Webb.

[Bow2Yao11]

:wavefinger:

Chase Field has the highest altitude of any park not named Coors. Dimensions can be misleading - the park factors are based off of actual statistics on runs scored the past few seasons. Dimensions can help a pitcher, but many times they can be misleading because of a pitcher's pitching style, and how that is affected by dimensions.

Also, B-Webb has been playing for some pretty crappy clubs with horrible defense, whereas Roy-O has gotten good D from his contending Astros, withguys like Everett, etc.

I don't mean to be pestering, I just think that park facotrs and runs scored are more concrete evidence on how a ballpark has played over the past few years.
Personally, I think it's a wash, and I just think picking one RIGHT NOW is just a matter of personal preference, yours obviously being Oswalt and mine obviously Webb.

I'm a huge Webb fan. I have him in all 3 of my fantasy leagues. B-Webb has Orlando Hudson (Gold Glove 2B). Everett is also one of the best SS in the league and can easily win multiple gold gloves. I picked Oswalt over Webb but I said it was very close. Oswalt has had more better years than Webb so far also. Oswalt has the better career ERA (3.02 to Webb's 3.30), more wins, more K's, and more CG, and has never given up more than 18 HR a season. Oswalt has also won at least 10 games in 6 straight seasons and has never had a losing record. Oswalt has pitched 2 more years than Webb though.

[RaoulDuke79]

Over the course of there respective years Oswalt has been the better pitcher, more complete games and eats more innings.

See now thats not really true either. Over the past 2 years Webb has averaged 232 IP and 3 CG a year, Oswalt 231 IP and 3 CG a year, pretty even. Really there both great pitchers, I just prefer Webb, although it's really close.

You don't prefer Webb over Oz because you're a Cardinals fan do you? I understand, since Oz completely dominates them 99% of the time he faces them, but come on!


J/K, lol.

You can't go wrong with either of them, I love Oswalt and could never pick someone over him really, especially what he has done in big games. If I had to build a team though, since Webb is a bit younger, I could easily understand taking him.

Now, what I REALLY dream about is having both of them on my team, but alas, that will probably never happen...

[bigboy1234]

RaoulDuke, it doesn't really matter what Oswalt does to the Cards, as long as Lidge gets in, the Cards win.

But actually if you go look at a thread that is at the bottom of this page, I picked Webb over Carpenter too.

[RaoulDuke79]

RaoulDuke, it doesn't really matter what Oswalt does to the Cards, as long as Lidge gets in, the Cards win.

But actually if you go look at a thread that is at the bottom of this page, I picked Webb over Carpenter too.

That's true, Lidge is finished.

Although 2005 negates your Lidge theory anyways! Ha! I win!


j/k.

I'd pick Webb over Carpenter as well. I have this dream of a 1-2-3 rotation of Oswalt/Webb/Carpenter on the Astros though. It's a good dream man....


..then I wake up of course.

[Bow2Yao11]

I would also take Webb over Carpenter.

[Baller 24]

Same here Carpenter is a good pitcher, but sometimes I really don't like his game.