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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby stuffedmonkey on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:41 pm

To the earlier guys wondering about the cap hit - the 3 million doesn't get you 3 mil worth of cap space - but you do get out of the salary slot and you do get the spending money.

But long term you can't do that sort of thing and not have it bite you. Just ask Suns fans how much they like having a shallow bench and no young guys from years of Sarver selling picks.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby Copperhead on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:00 pm

The Hornets don't seem to be interested in trying to develop more young talent. They still have Armstrong and Wright. Over the years they've been building this team through the draft. They're now going the free agent route. Listen to this guys take on the supposedly deal. Nothing has been approved as of yet and even IF it is, we may not hear about it until draft night.

http://www.wwltv.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=257700


http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2008/0 ... to_ha.html

Free agent period hasn't even started so let's wait and see what happens.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby gold_leader64 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:45 pm

HORNETSFAN wrote:
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HORNETSFAN wrote:Shinn to all the new season ticketholders - "I know we need bench help, but I want $$$$$$$ !!" This is absolutely sickening.

lol who are they going to get at 27 who is going to come in and provide bench help? They are better off letting those bench scrubs go and sign a FA and make a deal for a player who can come in NOW and contribute. The right move was made.


So you think any of these guys could help our bench?

2007 - Arron Afflalo
2006 - Sergio Rodriguez
2005 - Linas Kleiza
2004 - Sasha Vujacic
2003 - Kendrick Perkins
2002 - Chris Jefferies
2001 - Jamaal Tinsley

Those are the last 7 years of players picked at #27. Selling the pick does nothing for us in free agency. We still will only have the MLE to play with. We are not close to the luxury tax. It makes no basketball sense.


And how long did it take some of those guys to develop into a solid contributer? I'm not saying there isn't anybody who could possibly end up a decent player, but there isn't anybody who can come in this upcoming season and address the deficiencies on this team. A FA or deal can do that.

And let's not forget the financial situation. Chris Paul hasn't gotten paid yet. Peja has a max deal and is unmovable. Once Paul's big extension happens, this team will be paying a LOT of money for a very shallow team. They can't afford to hope that a project might develop in time to be a player who can contribute. Look at Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons. Have they developed? Simmons wasn't that great, and was traded. Armstrong always looks horrible. Can this team afford another Armstrong?

I posted in a previous topic that the hornets should look for a veteran who can address their bench frontline. They need a player who can be effective on both ends of the court, because Ely and Armstrong got destroyed by the Spurs, and the hornets have no low post scoring threat.

They paid Peja to come here, they paid Mo-Pete to come here, and they are going to pay Paul to stay here. It's going to get tougher and tougher to get a bench who can play, and right now they would be better off with some cash then take a chance on another project who won't matter in a few years.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby fallentimes on Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:59 pm

I don't think it's a big deal to do this one year with a late pick, but if they start doing year after year (a la Suns) then it's time to ask questions.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby HORNETSFAN on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:34 am

gold_leader64 wrote:And how long did it take some of those guys to develop into a solid contributer? I'm not saying there isn't anybody who could possibly end up a decent player, but there isn't anybody who can come in this upcoming season and address the deficiencies on this team. A FA or deal can do that.

And let's not forget the financial situation. Chris Paul hasn't gotten paid yet. Peja has a max deal and is unmovable. Once Paul's big extension happens, this team will be paying a LOT of money for a very shallow team. They can't afford to hope that a project might develop in time to be a player who can contribute. Look at Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons. Have they developed? Simmons wasn't that great, and was traded. Armstrong always looks horrible. Can this team afford another Armstrong?

I posted in a previous topic that the hornets should look for a veteran who can address their bench frontline. They need a player who can be effective on both ends of the court, because Ely and Armstrong got destroyed by the Spurs, and the hornets have no low post scoring threat.

They paid Peja to come here, they paid Mo-Pete to come here, and they are going to pay Paul to stay here. It's going to get tougher and tougher to get a bench who can play, and right now they would be better off with some cash then take a chance on another project who won't matter in a few years.


How does the cash create more space for a FA? It does not, we still only have the MLE. We still have a roster spot to fill. If it were with #27, it would be for $980,000 per year. If it is for a league minimum veteran, it will be for about $900,000 - $1,100,000. No savings there and what do you get from a league minimum veteran? Maybe a drug problem like Birdman? This is a terrible FA year, so who is out there to help this team that can be had wiht the MLE? Even if there is someone, how does not drafting a player change that? Do we expect the 12-15 player on our roster to play considerable minutes? What team plays all 12 players routinely? The 13-15 spots are inactive. Why would a NBDL or developing rookie not be a reasonable expectation for one of those spots?
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby NO-KG-AI on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:13 pm

That's a wonderful value pick for us, Arthur is a top 10 or so talent, he's athletic and he bolsters our bench really well.

Then we sell the pick to Portland.... what a total downer, selling our pick was depressing enough, but selling a talent like Arthur flat out hurts.

I'm saddened, cheap teams don't win championships.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby WadeKnicks2010 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:39 pm

Why did you make this move? Arthur was one of the best players in college last season. He won the NCAA Championship as the best player on the team. Did you guys see the Finals? He established himself down low and arguably controlled the game and set the pace from the get go. Terrible guys.. Not that the Knicks are a team to criticize though, you guys still rock with Chris Paul, Chandler, and West but this deal... damn. sorry guys.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby NO-KG-AI on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:49 pm

The pick was sold before the draft, I bet they are kicking themselves now.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby Bskey on Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:23 am

I actually feel sort of bad for NO right now. I'm a Blazer fan but love what the Hornets have done recently, but this time they could have really gotten a steal by keeping the pick. You guys shouldn't worry though, Hornets are still going to be awesome. Keep in mind the old Blazer management passed on Chris Paul, so at least you can hold that over the Blazers.
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Re: Hornets trade pick to Blazers...

Postby NO-KG-AI on Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:58 pm

I will only feel good about this trade if Shinn gives the "cash considerations" to the fans. We just sold a guy that should have gone 10-15 for nothing.
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