Ready to get bashed. Dallas, Orlando, Sacramento

JES12 · Post #1 » by **JES12** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:40 am

Dallas trades: Jason Terry, Deveon George, 3 mil cash, 2 1st round picks
Dallas gets: Ron Artest, SAR

Dallas gets Artest by absorbing SAR, giving cash, losing Terry, & 2008 1st round pick and conditional 2010 1st.

Orlando trades: Keyon Dooling, Carlos Arroyo
Orlando gets: Jason Terry

Orlando upgrades in talent by using expirings

Sacramento trades: Ron Artest, SAR
Sacramento gets: Expirings (Arroyo, Dooling, George), 3 mil cash to help buy out Arroyo, 2008 1st and conditional 2010 1st via Dallas

Sacramento uses Artest to shed SAR and pick up 2 1st round picks

NOTE 1: 2010 conditional pick is either Artest does not opt out or agrees to extention

NOTE 2: SAR can be switched to Kenny Thomas, but George would HAVE to be switched to Trenton Hassell

After Arroyo is bought out, Dallas attempts to sign him with our MLE to be our backup PG.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #2 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:49 am

Those picks would be high but...

That would be a good trade if we entered complete rebuilding

sackings916 · Post #3 » by **sackings916** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 9:15 am

Orlando should throw in a 1st to SAC..they get too good of a deal.

Post #4 » by **pillwenney** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:27 am

sackings916 wrote:Orlando should throw in a 1st to SAC..they get too good of a deal.

Yeah, that seems fair.

Post #5 » by **catalyst** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 1:14 pm

Nice trade. I like SAR inside (If he still can) for dallas.

hermes · Post #6 » by **hermes** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:44 pm

looks pretty fair

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:59 pm

I don't believe Artest is worth cap relief and 2 first round picks, even late ones. He has issues with his knees, he was ejected in Utah for behavior, and he may walk from SAC (or any team that trades for him) in four months. This would be a dangerous acquisition for DAL, who's generally tried to acquire citizens. The deal could already saves the Kings about $25 mil.

I don't believe ORL needs to add anything to Terry. He's been a productive scorer, but he is what he is .. a SG in a PG's body. He's 30, and he's on a deal that pays him about $50 mil through 2012.

If DAL wants to gamble on Artest, I like the combination of teams you put together, but I think with Ron's history, even though the 1sts are late, that's overpaying. The financial benefits alone should be plenty.

HotSpurs21 · Post #8 » by **HotSpurs21** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:00 pm

Is Artest worth ruining the chemistry Dallas have?

Getting Kidd might be a better idea than this

JES12 · Post #9 » by **JES12** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:09 pm

HotSpurs21 wrote:Is Artest worth ruining the chemistry Dallas have?

Getting Kidd might be a better idea than this

All the more reason to do THIS trade.

I'd MUCH, MUCH, infinitesimally much more prefer this lineup:

Damp/Diop
Dirk/Bass
Artest/George (or Hassell)
Howard/Stackhouse
Harris/Arroyo

With options of 11th & 12th men of Jones, Juwan, & Barea

than this lineup:

Damp/??? (Maglorie, Diop, nobody pending on trade)
Nowitzki/Juwan
Howard/Hassell
Jones/Ager
Kidd/Terry

I mean, Harris, at his ripe old age of 25, out produces Kidd (35 in 2 months) in every catagory you can think of including offensive effeciency, +/-, any of the regular stats...except Rebounds (which would not be all that important in Dallas) and assists. Then add in the fact that we need a quicker PG in a division with Chris Paul and Tony Parker, conference with Nash, & Ellis. Trading Harris for Kidd would go down as one of the all time blunders in Mavs history.

Sacramento_King · Post #10 » by **Sacramento_King** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:43 pm

I think Sac does it but Orlando should include either the rights to Vazquez or their 08' 1st to Sac and Dal remove the 10' 1st to Sac.

MagicFan149 · Post #11 » by **MagicFan149** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:02 pm

the magic would definately get a huge upgrade in talent... but like it has been stated terry does have alot left on his contract... but if the only thing holding this back would be fran's rights then include them too.

lets get this done

RIPskaterdude · Post #12 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:21 pm

Take out the 2010 DAL pick, have Orlando add a 1st to SAC, change SAR to KT and it's a deal.

Post #13 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:30 pm

Nice trade, a few minor tweaks and it really works for all teams.

Smills91 · Post #14 » by **Smills91** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:14 pm

Once again, not interested unless KT is involved. This is the contract that needs to move with Artest. If you want to include Hassell to get it done, be my guest, but KT, NOT SAR, needs to go.

And please, this goes to EVERYONE, do NOT include SAR/Moore as a 'dumping' piece in an ARTEST trade and make it look like you're doing the Kings some type of favor by 'absorbing' salary. Both these players can and have the ability to play. There is only ONE contract that is bad on the Kings and that is Kenny Thomas. HE is the piece that moves with Artest, PERIOD. HE is the crutch of a rebuilding process in Sacramento(thus the disdain he has in Sacramento).

Every Artest deal BEGINS AND ENDS with KT moving out with him(and NOT for likes of Radmanovic either) we're talking ENDERS.

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:18 pm

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Take out the 2010 DAL pick, have Orlando add a 1st to SAC, change SAR to KT and it's a deal.

EDIT - sorry wrong thread.

RIPskaterdude · Post #16 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:21 pm

shrink wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ROFL! I question whether Mike Bibby is even worth his $14 mil/year contract, and you want Devin Harris, TWO first rounders, AND to have someone eat Kenny Thomas' deal?

These are the type of comments that make me hope that when the few teams seeking a PG find them, SAC gets stuck standing at the the end of that musical chairs game. Eat the $28 mil, and see how your greed and homerism tastes.

.....your in the wrong thread. Neither Mike Bibby or Devin Harris are traded in this thread.........

daoneandonly · Post #17 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:23 pm

nice trade, i like it, if Orl wants Juwan Howard, they can have him too if Dallas gets SAR.

tranjSAIC · Post #18 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:08 pm

Orlando wants nothing to do with either SAR or Juwanna, btw pretty fair trade...not sure if Orlando would want to take on another huge contract hough, considering they are already paying a billion dollars for a role player.

JES12 · Post #19 » by **JES12** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:18 pm

Smills91 wrote:Once again, not interested unless KT is involved. This is the contract that needs to move with Artest. If you want to include Hassell to get it done, be my guest, but KT, NOT SAR, needs to go.

If the biggest Kings homer and the biggest Mavs home can agree on this trade, then I think we need to call up our "real GMs" and get this one done with Hassell and Thomas.

I'm glad to see posative responses.

RIPskaterdude · Post #20 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:39 pm

JES12 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If the biggest Kings homer and the biggest Mavs home can agree on this trade, then I think we need to call up our "real GMs" and get this one done with Hassell and Thomas.

I'm glad to see posative responses.

Apparently I'm the biggest homer because someone thinks Mike Bibby and Devin Harris were in this trade? :cry: