What's our Best starting 5?

[general]

I Know we been to the Playoffs with Bibby at PG,But I think our Best strength is Crawford at the 1 and Bibby backing him up Because Crawford can pass and create and we focus on Offense anyway so why not have 2 of the Best offensive players (Joe,Crawford)on the court at the same time thats 20ppg each.I watched Ben gordon at Detroit,They use him the same as Crawford but why waste that instant offense on the Bench in the beginning of games?

PG:CRAWFORD 19PPG,5APG
SG:JOHNSON 21PPG,4RPG
SF:WILLIAMS 9PPG,5RPG
PF;SMITH 14PPG,6RPG
C:HORFORD 11PPG,11RPG

[Harry10]

agree..... espeically as good as Crawford's PG skills have been thus far. he is clearly more willing to play defense and pass than Bibby

[MaceCase]

The question is how effective would our second unit now be with two 6'1" players and then the 6'5" Mo Evans forming the 1,2 and 3

[joeshmoe]

Bibby
johnson
Williams
smith
horford

Crawford is not a pg

[mr_grabb]

I think this is a very weak analysis. If you think that Crawford is good because he can ''pass and create'', and that you actually think that he can do that better than Bibby, you're dead wrong. His strength is to score. Period. We traded for him for his scoring abilities, not his pg abilities. Because those are almost nonexistent in Crawford. Just because you dish a few assists, does not mean you make you team better. On the opposite, Bibby might not fill the stat sheet like he used to do, but he DOES make everyone else on this team better. Actually, Smoove said himself earlier this month (I think). He said that it's really when Bibby arrived that all the players clicked together.

Oh, and for the Gordon argument? Is he's playing off the bench, it's actually because Detroit wants to match his scoring abilities with the team's second unit to make him more efficient. Same goes for Crawford here.

[Harry10]

I think this is a very weak analysis. If you think that Crawford is good because he can ''pass and create'', and that you actually think that he can do that better than Bibby, you're dead wrong. His strength is to score. Period. We traded for him for his scoring abilities, not his pg abilities. Because those are almost nonexistent in Crawford. Just because you dish a few assists, does not mean you make you team better. On the opposite, Bibby might not fill the stat sheet like he used to do, but he DOES make everyone else on this team better. Actually, Smoove said himself earlier this month (I think). He said that it's really when Bibby arrived that all the players clicked together.

Oh, and for the Gordon argument? Is he's playing off the bench, it's actually because Detroit wants to match his scoring abilities with the team's second unit to make him more efficient. Same goes for Crawford here.

have you even been watching preseason???

[Harry10]

The question is how effective would our second unit now be with two 6'1" players and then the 6'5" Mo Evans forming the 1,2 and 3

i'm pretty sure it is going to be a 8-9 man rotation.... not 10. if Woody does his job, he will have a combination of Joe/Marvin, Joe/Jamal, Jamal/Marvin on the floor at all times.

who starts the game and who ends the game? just like with Flip ending most games last year, the last five minutes is pretty much going to be Al/Josh/Marv/Joe/Jam

[JoshB914]

I think this is a very weak analysis. If you think that Crawford is good because he can ''pass and create'', and that you actually think that he can do that better than Bibby, you're dead wrong. His strength is to score. Period. We traded for him for his scoring abilities, not his pg abilities. Because those are almost nonexistent in Crawford. Just because you dish a few assists, does not mean you make you team better. On the opposite, Bibby might not fill the stat sheet like he used to do, but he DOES make everyone else on this team better. Actually, Smoove said himself earlier this month (I think). He said that it's really when Bibby arrived that all the players clicked together.

Oh, and for the Gordon argument? Is he's playing off the bench, it's actually because Detroit wants to match his scoring abilities with the team's second unit to make him more efficient. Same goes for Crawford here.

have you even been watching preseason???

Who cares about preseason? Unless you were at a preseason game the only thing to go off of is box scores and we all know how overrated pure stats can be.

Crawford doesn't have bad passing skills, but his most effective attribute is his scoring, so having him next to Joe doesn't make us a better team all the time. Bibby is a guy that runs our offense well, distributes, and knocks down open shots. There will be plenty of times where his services will be needed more than Craw's and I don't think there is a clear cut "better player" between the two in terms of making us better.

[LL Cool Scott]

This team is far better with Bibby on the floor than without him. That's not even debatable. How anyone could follow this team pre-Bibby until now and think that we're better off with him on the bench....is just beyond comprehension.

The real question is who will be on the floor in the last 2 minutes of close games. I believe our crunchtime 5 will be Bibby, Johnson, Crawford, Smith and Horford.

[smittylo]

pretty sure Sund and "Tiger" Woodson know the same thing. MIke is the glue.

[Harry10]

I think this is a very weak analysis. If you think that Crawford is good because he can ''pass and create'', and that you actually think that he can do that better than Bibby, you're dead wrong. His strength is to score. Period. We traded for him for his scoring abilities, not his pg abilities. Because those are almost nonexistent in Crawford. Just because you dish a few assists, does not mean you make you team better. On the opposite, Bibby might not fill the stat sheet like he used to do, but he DOES make everyone else on this team better. Actually, Smoove said himself earlier this month (I think). He said that it's really when Bibby arrived that all the players clicked together.

Oh, and for the Gordon argument? Is he's playing off the bench, it's actually because Detroit wants to match his scoring abilities with the team's second unit to make him more efficient. Same goes for Crawford here.

have you even been watching preseason???

Who cares about preseason? Unless you were at a preseason game the only thing to go off of is box scores and we all know how overrated pure stats can be.

Crawford doesn't have bad passing skills, but his most effective attribute is his scoring, so having him next to Joe doesn't make us a better team all the time. Bibby is a guy that runs our offense well, distributes, and knocks down open shots. There will be plenty of times where his services will be needed more than Craw's and I don't think there is a clear cut "better player" between the two in terms of making us better.

.... did you even watch today's game???

[HoopsGuru25]

Harry...what was the point of singling out that particular part of his post?

[JoshB914]

^^^ Haha. I don't even know what he is trying to say. But I guess that is normal.

[parson]

Bibby's not a bad PG and he's done well for us, but he's not making "everyone else on this team better." Not by a long shot. Look at the shots he takes - and the shots Joe takes - and compare them to the # of shots that Smoove, Horford and Marvelous are taking. For every one nice pass Bibby makes to our frontcourt there're 5 times he and Joe play catch between themselves and end up with one of them taking a jump shot.

We don't NEED Bibby: we simply need a good player in his spot. Anthony Johnson, for crying out loud, looked good for us - when his health allowed. Maybe y'all remember his good games.

I'd love to see Crawford at the point -- to see how our fastbreak could look. And while Crawford's not known for his defense, I'd like to see how a longer PG would make our defense look. I'd also like to see how Woodson's isolation-based offense would look with Crawford taking the ball one-on-one and then kicking out to Joe. I think that'd actually run better than Joe doing the dribbling and Bibby spotting up.

[JoshB914]

^^^ I agree that Bibby is replaceable. But how is he not making the team better? Our record with him speaks for itself.