Warriors putting up with Jackson...?

[ILOVEIT]

Is there another team in the league right now that would allow a verteran player like Jackson to dribble into double teams and hoist bombs and get T'ed up by the refs through out the season?

To me those are all rookie plays...and I have NO idea why Nelson and the Warriors seem to think that's good basketball...or at least...why they would EXTEND The guy let alone play him.

It's weird, but I can't think of another team that has a player as anything close to a starter that plays like a fricken rookie and doesn't get benched or cut. Ironically...I think Ron Artest is the closest...but that's about it...

Anyone?

I have a dream...and it's watching the Warriors play a few games in a row where they actually play smart agressive hoops. Jackson's not in it...

[Sid the Squid]

Is there another team in the league right now that would allow a verteran player like Jackson to dribble into double teams and hoist bombs and get T'ed up by the refs through out the season?

YES

NY puts up with Al Harrington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CHDczwvVQQ

opening night

A. Harrington F 29:14 5-14 1-6 4-4 -23 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 3 15

[ILOVEIT]

That's a great call, Sid.

Artest, Jackson, Harrington....to think they were all on the same team at one point...scary.

[J-Rich-]

baron, harrington, jackson

[Sid the Squid]

Baron's not chucking anymore ...Which is a credit to Dun's coaching..But he's also playing halfcourt basketball which gives Davis no chance of being a dominate PG again. Baron can't shoot..Team's are FINALLY realizing it.

[gking]

Is there another team in the league right now that would allow a verteran player like Jackson to dribble into double teams and hoist bombs and get T'ed up by the refs through out the season?

To me those are all rookie plays...and I have NO idea why Nelson and the Warriors seem to think that's good basketball...or at least...why they would EXTEND The guy let alone play him.

It's weird, but I can't think of another team that has a player as anything close to a starter that plays like a fricken rookie and doesn't get benched or cut. Ironically...I think Ron Artest is the closest...but that's about it...

Anyone?

I have a dream...and it's watching the Warriors play a few games in a row where they actually play smart agressive hoops. Jackson's not in it...

Good post. I have serious issues with Nellie's tolerance of Jackson as well as Maggette recently. How in the world was Maggette left in the game for as long he was on opening night. He couldn't throw the ball in the ocean! Especially with someone like Morrow to sub for him. The team was talking about being accountable on defense this year. Well how about offense too!!! You miss two shots in a row and keep taking them and missing, well you should be accountable for being a dumb ass and yanked!!!

[Chris Cohan]

Sid comes up with the best BS in town, some days.

[Sleepy51]

I'm not at all worried about the W's "putting up" with Jackson. Now that Jack is on the block, if he acts up, Nellie will stomp his ass like every other player to bitch their way out of town. Jack got a lot of rope when he was a captain and defender and heart and soul of the team. Nellie will put up with a lot to keep a guy in the boat, but Jack has jumped ship, and his leash will shorten as needed.

This is what scares me:

-Q: Maggette took a lot of outside shots. Are you OK with him taking those shots?

-NELSON: I like him to drive every time. But you can’t ask a guy not to take advantage of the way his defense is playing. I thought too many… occasionally they were early on the clock.

But he’s my veteran player. I’m pretty mujch going to let him have his head. He’s got to figure out how to play the best for him and we have to adjust around him. He’s been around a long time.

We know the way that he plays. He’ll take that shot when he’s open and I’m not going to take that away from him. That opens his drive up.

Nellie is still terrified of vets. He is going to let Maggettte shoot jumpers? Dre has a better J than Maggette. Maggs has never really fancied himself a jumpshooter. If this is his new injury prevention routine, he is worthless. Regardless, the coach can't indulge bad decisionmaking. If he's calling Maggs number, then Maggs needs to make the efficient play and get to the line. If Maggs isn't executing, Nellie's responsibility is to not call his number. The vet cowtowing has got to stop. If he lets Maggs take the low % shot out while calling his number, then Monta will follow suit, and Dre and then Ronny, and then we'll be offloading another crop of "overpaid" recently extended players because "they don't fit with the core."

Sooner or later, the coach needs to hold the players accountable to a system that can win. Maggette having the freedom to roll with his jumpshot is inadequate coaching. Maggs has never been a settle for the jumpshot player before in all my years of watching him eff up games for the Clippers, he never did it by chucking. Just not defending and turning the ball over. Now he wants to chuck and we're going to let him because he's a vet? This is terrifying.

[Chris Cohan]

I'm fine with the premise here, Sleepy.
But Game 1 was a clinic in infinite vet leash length.

[Sleepy51]

-JACKSON: I felt good out there. I took good shots. I mean, I think I should’ve had more assists than I had—a lot of guys dropped the passes.

This part made me laugh out loud. I swear, Jack and Dun are the same damn person with different backgrounds. Instinctively, they throw other people under the bus. No ability to unequivocally take responsibility for themselves.

100% unadulterated snatchfaced poon.

[Future Coach]

That's Don Nelson basketball.. Put the ball in the best players hands and have/let him to what he wants. Nelson lives and dies by not holding players accountable for good shot selections and consistent defense for the sake of having a player get hot or an open fast break. The only players this is not true for is for young talent. For the youth he chalks it up to inexperience and rookie/youth mistakes which can be remedied by removing them from the game. But when an established veteran isn't finding success playing the way nellie has instructed (or better yet has lacked in instructing) you won't see players getting yanked out the game, what you're going to see is losses piling up. This strategy is sometimes effective if you have a team that is relatively deep in experienced talent (like a team with baron, jackson, harrington, jrich/maggette), and especially if you throw in young upcoming talent who can handle their own at times and make mismatches (like ellis, beans, sometimes randolph). But we lack depth in regards to experience so if the experienced players are off then the warriors will be off, do not expect them to be yanked for younger undeveloped players because that's not what nellie thinks will bring success in regards to strategy this year.

Remember the warriors only have to be good enough for about 25 wins to be successful this year in nellie's eyes, and all they got to do is not lose $$ to remain successful in Cohan's wallet.

[The Hack]

I'm not at all worried about the W's "putting up" with Jackson. Now that Jack is on the block, if he acts up, Nellie will stomp his ass like every other player to bitch their way out of town. Jack got a lot of rope when he was a captain and defender and heart and soul of the team. Nellie will put up with a lot to keep a guy in the boat, but Jack has jumped ship, and his leash will shorten as needed.

This is what scares me:

-Q: Maggette took a lot of outside shots. Are you OK with him taking those shots?

-NELSON: I like him to drive every time. But you can’t ask a guy not to take advantage of the way his defense is playing. I thought too many… occasionally they were early on the clock.

But he’s my veteran player. I’m pretty mujch going to let him have his head. He’s got to figure out how to play the best for him and we have to adjust around him. He’s been around a long time.

We know the way that he plays. He’ll take that shot when he’s open and I’m not going to take that away from him. That opens his drive up.

Nellie is still terrified of vets. He is going to let Maggettte shoot jumpers? Dre has a better J than Maggette. Maggs has never really fancied himself a jumpshooter. If this is his new injury prevention routine, he is worthless. Regardless, the coach can't indulge bad decisionmaking. If he's calling Maggs number, then Maggs needs to make the efficient play and get to the line. If Maggs isn't executing, Nellie's responsibility is to not call his number. The vet cowtowing has got to stop. If he lets Maggs take the low % shot out while calling his number, then Monta will follow suit, and Dre and then Ronny, and then we'll be offloading another crop of "overpaid" recently extended players because "they don't fit with the core."

Sooner or later, the coach needs to hold the players accountable to a system that can win. Maggette having the freedom to roll with his jumpshot is inadequate coaching. Maggs has never been a settle for the jumpshot player before in all my years of watching him eff up games for the Clippers, he never did it by chucking. Just not defending and turning the ball over. Now he wants to chuck and we're going to let him because he's a vet? This is terrifying.

I hope that this Nellie not wanting to make waves after one game (I hope, I hope). It is so obvious that Maggette was only interested in getting his shots.

[nismolos]

I'm not at all worried about the W's "putting up" with Jackson. Now that Jack is on the block, if he acts up, Nellie will stomp his ass like every other player to bitch their way out of town. Jack got a lot of rope when he was a captain and defender and heart and soul of the team. Nellie will put up with a lot to keep a guy in the boat, but Jack has jumped ship, and his leash will shorten as needed.

This is what scares me:

-Q: Maggette took a lot of outside shots. Are you OK with him taking those shots?

-NELSON: I like him to drive every time. But you can’t ask a guy not to take advantage of the way his defense is playing. I thought too many… occasionally they were early on the clock.

But he’s my veteran player. I’m pretty mujch going to let him have his head. He’s got to figure out how to play the best for him and we have to adjust around him. He’s been around a long time.

We know the way that he plays. He’ll take that shot when he’s open and I’m not going to take that away from him. That opens his drive up.

Nellie is still terrified of vets. He is going to let Maggettte shoot jumpers? Dre has a better J than Maggette. Maggs has never really fancied himself a jumpshooter. If this is his new injury prevention routine, he is worthless. Regardless, the coach can't indulge bad decisionmaking. If he's calling Maggs number, then Maggs needs to make the efficient play and get to the line. If Maggs isn't executing, Nellie's responsibility is to not call his number. The vet cowtowing has got to stop. If he lets Maggs take the low % shot out while calling his number, then Monta will follow suit, and Dre and then Ronny, and then we'll be offloading another crop of "overpaid" recently extended players because "they don't fit with the core."

Sooner or later, the coach needs to hold the players accountable to a system that can win. Maggette having the freedom to roll with his jumpshot is inadequate coaching. Maggs has never been a settle for the jumpshot player before in all my years of watching him eff up games for the Clippers, he never did it by chucking. Just not defending and turning the ball over. Now he wants to chuck and we're going to let him because he's a vet? This is terrifying.

Granted, I didn't like those shots that Maggette took either just bc of that fact that I knew they weren't going in. But... I'm going to have to agree with Nellie on this one. He was taking what the defense gave him. That's what I would expect from a veteran NBA player that gets paid as much as he does and averages 20 a game. Maggette doesn't have a non-existent jump-shot, but he's no consistent jumpshooter either. I'm not such a great shooter myself, but if the defense is going to leave me THAT wide-open, I'm going to take that shot... I wouldn't call it chucking. What Maggette really has to do is learn how to make that open shot consistently... at this point of his career idk if that's feasible. Its probably something we're going to have to learn to deal with. On some nights he CAN hit that shot though...just wasn't falling on Wednesday. He should've recognized it and dished it out instead of trying to redeem himself over and over. Until he reaches about 1 for 4 for the game, I would allow him to keep taking that shot.

[Chris Cohan]

Nellie has to say all of that and his apologists have no choice but to ride the "what the defense GAVE them" talk point since he clearly didn't/won't coach team offense for one waking effing minute last season, preseason, or this season.

[Sleepy51]

I'm not at all worried about the W's "putting up" with Jackson. Now that Jack is on the block, if he acts up, Nellie will stomp his ass like every other player to bitch their way out of town. Jack got a lot of rope when he was a captain and defender and heart and soul of the team. Nellie will put up with a lot to keep a guy in the boat, but Jack has jumped ship, and his leash will shorten as needed.

This is what scares me:

-Q: Maggette took a lot of outside shots. Are you OK with him taking those shots?

-NELSON: I like him to drive every time. But you can’t ask a guy not to take advantage of the way his defense is playing. I thought too many… occasionally they were early on the clock.

But he’s my veteran player. I’m pretty mujch going to let him have his head. He’s got to figure out how to play the best for him and we have to adjust around him. He’s been around a long time.

We know the way that he plays. He’ll take that shot when he’s open and I’m not going to take that away from him. That opens his drive up.

Nellie is still terrified of vets. He is going to let Maggettte shoot jumpers? Dre has a better J than Maggette. Maggs has never really fancied himself a jumpshooter. If this is his new injury prevention routine, he is worthless. Regardless, the coach can't indulge bad decisionmaking. If he's calling Maggs number, then Maggs needs to make the efficient play and get to the line. If Maggs isn't executing, Nellie's responsibility is to not call his number. The vet cowtowing has got to stop. If he lets Maggs take the low % shot out while calling his number, then Monta will follow suit, and Dre and then Ronny, and then we'll be offloading another crop of "overpaid" recently extended players because "they don't fit with the core."

Sooner or later, the coach needs to hold the players accountable to a system that can win. Maggette having the freedom to roll with his jumpshot is inadequate coaching. Maggs has never been a settle for the jumpshot player before in all my years of watching him eff up games for the Clippers, he never did it by chucking. Just not defending and turning the ball over. Now he wants to chuck and we're going to let him because he's a vet? This is terrifying.

Granted, I didn't like those shots that Maggette took either just bc of that fact that I knew they weren't going in. But... I'm going to have to agree with Nellie on this one. He was taking what the defense gave him. That's what I would expect from a veteran NBA player that gets paid as much as he does and averages 20 a game. Maggette doesn't have a non-existent jump-shot, but he's no consistent jumpshooter either. I'm not such a great shooter myself, but if the defense is going to leave me THAT wide-open, I'm going to take that shot... I wouldn't call it chucking. What Maggette really has to do is learn how to make that open shot consistently... at this point of his career idk if that's feasible. Its probably something we're going to have to learn to deal with. On some nights he CAN hit that shot though...just wasn't falling on Wednesday. He should've recognized it and dished it out instead of trying to redeem himself over and over. Until he reaches about 1 for 4 for the game, I would allow him to keep taking that shot.

these were not mostly wide open shots. many of these bricks were isos where the defender layed off and dared him to shoot outside his effective range. the decision to not take those shots is where good teams beat other good teams and where bad teams decide to lose to other bad teams. The winning answer to that situation is not to take the shot the D WANTS you yo take. the answer is to give up the rock and work for a better shot. But Nellie is scared to ask that of a vet. It would be sad if it weren't so pitiful.