Nellie

[Mac1958]

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The Warriors go nowhere as long as Nellie is here.

SmallBall isn't going to work in the long run.

Ignoring defense and general team discipline isn't going to work in the long run.

High school-level mind games with your players aren't going to work in the long run.

Changing your lineup depending on the opponent, instead of making your opponent deal with your strengths, isn't going to work in the long run.

Keeping your players guessing as to whether they're going to start, or whether they're even going to play, isn't going to work in the long run.

Ignoring continuity, familiarity and flow with never-ending lineup experimentation isn't going to work in the long run.

As long as Nellie is here, the Warriors will remain an interesting oddity, an amusing circus, fun to watch, nothing more.

OK, rant over...

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[gking]

I'm not having any fun watching the Warriors this year so far.

[Souvlaki]

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The Warriors go nowhere as long as Nellie is here.

Actually they've gone to the playoffs and amassed a winning record since he's been here. I guess you forgot the 14 years since he was last here, huh?

SmallBall isn't going to work in the long run.

Small ball huh?

Biedrins 6-11
Randolph 6-10
Jackson 6-8
Ellis 6-3
Curry 6-3

Looks like a pretty typical if not slightly big lineup. What's small about it?

Ignoring defense and general team discipline isn't going to work in the long run.

True. The players deserve across the board pay cuts for not doing their jobs.

High school-level mind games with your players aren't going to work in the long run.

What are you talking about here? Jackson's comments about not wanting to be here, or Monta's comments about not wanting to play with Curry. Which mind game specifically are you referring to?

Changing your lineup depending on the opponent, instead of making your opponent deal with your strengths, isn't going to work in the long run.

Coming up with a game plan to beat your opponent is a coach's job. That includes altering the lineup when needed. What don't you get about this concept?

Keeping your players guessing as to whether they're going to start, or whether they're even going to play, isn't going to work in the long run.

Ignoring continuity, familiarity and flow with never-ending lineup experimentation isn't going to work in the long run.

The long run = 2 games? LOL

As long as Nellie is here, the Warriors will remain an interesting oddity, an amusing circus, fun to watch, nothing more.

OK, rant over...

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Blaming Nelson for selfish play is for newbs. Have a fresh take that doesn't parrot the Nelly haters.

[Souvlaki]

I'm not having any fun watching the Warriors this year so far.

You want a cookie? Don't watch.

[GswStorm3]

Looks like a pretty typical if not slightly big lineup. What's small about it?

That lineup lasts maybe 7 minutes a half Souvs.

Maggette at PF over 20 minutes a game is smallball.

[killacalijatt]

I say we fire nelly and not let him get wins to be #1 alltime

[turk3d]

I say we fire nelly and not let him get wins to be #1 alltime

I think that's a great idea Killa. You think that if Nellie realizes that this is a possibility he might start to try and win some games? lol

I'm sure that he'd never get another coaching job in the NBA.

[Warriorfan]

My question whey people say fire the coach who are you going to get to replace him

Objectively speaking he will have the most wins with one of the 7 highest winning percentages. Although no Championships as a coach.

Coaches available are unproven assistants, no championships themselves like Van Gundy etc, or too old like Lenny Wilkins Attles or out of coaching like Rudy T (health )

[Coxy]

This entire problem starts from the top. Its all on Cohan. Shat for brains that hires people he cant control and lets them run free. Its an asylum and the inmates currently have control.

[Tuhdow]

This entire problem starts from the top. Its all on Cohan. Shat for brains that hires people he cant control and lets them run free. Its an asylum and the inmates currently have control.

that's the truth and the root of all our problems.

the frustrating thing for me about nellie is his crazy lineups. smallball or not. the guy can't stick to a lineup consistently. he throws out mags at the 4 for like 25mins then gives randy like 10mins. it makes no sense to me. how would you like to be dicked around like that?

"... inmates currently have control" is right.

[Mac1958]

Souvlaki, you're in serious denial.

1. Yes, they've made the playoffs since he's been here. Wow, that's quite an achievement. And he has a winning record, great. He's obviously the only coach on the planet who could have accomplished this significant feat. Any conference championships? Rings? No.

2. If you're going to deny that Nellie is known for SmallBall and uses it frequently, there's nothing that anyone here can say to open your eyes. This one is too obvious to even mess with.

3. Poor defense, just like good offense, is ultimately the responsibility of the head coach. Especially one with as much inter-franchise pull as Nellie has. Point the finger wherever you want, the buck stops with him.

4. Perhaps you weren't paying attention last year when Nellie publicly humiliated AR, and told him that he may as well find a new team. Really, that happened. And that's not the first immature run-in he's had with players.

5. You evidently think that, when I pointed out that "Ignoring continuity, familiarity and flow with never-ending lineup experimentation isn't going to work in the long run," I was just talking about the last two games. Absolutely incredible. He's been doing this for years.

Backing Nellie in the face of all evidence is for Newbs. It's like trying to discuss politics with an ideological zealot - they deny, spin and divert at every opportunity. Keep loving your guy, and good luck with that.

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[TB]

Cohan needs to go.

Nellie needs to go.

Rowell needs to go.

Jack needs to go.

Maggette needs to go.

Get those things done in that order and we can start thinking about the possibility of having a contending team.

[J-Rich-]

Just because nellie plays 10 minutes of big ball doesn't mean this team isn't playing small ball. Nellie just wants to shut people up by starting big and when people bitch about small ball like they should, he would just say he is playing big ball when he really isn't.

[shazam_guy]

It's not even really smallball that's the problem, it's that Nelson literally doesn't seem to factor in defense at all. Every time you hear him post-mortem a game, his comments are about offense, his analysis is about offense. And it shows -- almost all his little adjustments are about offense, as far as I can see.

Which means that we're always trying to outshoot the other team instead of stop them from scoring. Hence we'll always be small and fast (Nelson's preference) and unable to outmuscle or outrebound much of anyone. Problem is, nobody in the league is just big and slow anymore -- they've all absorbed Nelson's once- revolutionary take, in the same way that everyone in the NFL now either has or has moved past the West Coast Offense 30 years or so after Walsh invented it.

The other night, talking about the Cavaliers victory over the Wizards, LBJ said, "It's all about defense. It starts with defense." Can you imagine Nelson (or anyone on this team) saying the same thing?

[turk3d]

You're right. That was the big difference between the "We Believe" year and what's followed. Those guys all laid it out on D which is what wins games for you. It's more about being able to stop guys during crunch time than makes. It's more about stopping the other team.

Sadly, you have a guy like Randolph who's willing to do that (put a great deal of empahasis on defense) and what does he get for it? Benched. Yet you get guys like Maggette or Whack (used to defend but not much any more) and they're rewarded. Terrible message being sent as usual.