AR and Biedrins

[ARisYourDaddy]

If ppl are so high on wanting these players wanting to develop their game to another level they need the proper coaching from the proper ppl..Bynum, Garnett and Jefferson have both learned from greats like McHale and Kareem..Look what Ewing has worked with Howard on his game as well...

They are both available and they should at least be considered

Young raw players need that type of one on one exp and that's way a stiff like AB hasn't improved that much

[J-Rich-]

they got the great Russ turner to teach them how to play like big men

[turk3d]

You make a very good point here, AR. It's just that Nellie doesn't care about developing big men, he's more interested in cultivating bricklayer chuckers. You'd expect it to be different with Nellie's regiment of coaches however. Sawthe same thing with Wright and all the big men who have gone through these doors.

[Souvlaki]

I really understand why Nelly doesn't want to play Randolph. He needs to go back to college or the Basketball Special Olympics for mentally challenged players. AR is about the dumbest player we have and that's saying something. Very athletically gifted, but dumb as a rock and our most selfish player to boot. The guy wouldn't pass the ball if someone had a gun to his mothers head. He doesn't seem to have learned anything since last year. He looks just as bad as when he came into the league.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was packaged with Jackson to get a good player in return. I'm sure Nelson is fed up at this point.

[Hopper15]

they got the great Russ turner to teach them how to play like big men

Tim Duncan wouldn't be the big man he is today without Russ Turner

[turk3d]

Either this is a great example of sarcasm, or you've totally gone wack. I'm guessing the former. Next time use green font.

[Souvlaki]

It's the Randolph kool aide drinkers who are whack. I know we grasp at straws around here a lot and take Summer League way too seriously, but honestly, Randolph is a train wreck.

[turk3d]

As much as I agree with you regarding the Randolph hyperbole ("ie the next Magic") I equally feel that calling him a "trainwreck" is quite a huge exaggeration. Right now, this whole team is a "trainwreck" if you will and you cannot attribute that to Randolph, at least fairly.

[Souvlaki]

The whole team is not a train wreck.

Curry has been good.
Buike has been good.
Biedrins has been good (last night).
Jackson has been Jackson. (not any different than in the past)
Monta has been Monta.

On the other hand, Randolph has been seriously out of control. He tries too hard and thinks he can do more than he really can. He needs to learn his limitations. Also he's always been very selfish. Now I can be OK with that if it results in a net gain for the team. But more often than not his selfishness directly results in a turnover or a wildly missed shot. The dude could have Curry right next to him calling for the ball, but will instead take it into trouble rather than give it up. He thinks he's friggin Magic Johnson.

[GswStorm3]

I really understand why Nelly doesn't want to play Randolph. He needs to go back to college or the Basketball Special Olympics for mentally challenged players. AR is about the dumbest player we have and that's saying something. Very athletically gifted, but dumb as a rock and our most selfish player to boot. The guy wouldn't pass the ball if someone had a gun to his mothers head. He doesn't seem to have learned anything since last year. He looks just as bad as when he came into the league.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was packaged with Jackson to get a good player in return. I'm sure Nelson is fed up at this point.

Yet Randolph's first touch of the game was an assist to Andris inside for a layup. Are you seriously watching this kid?

Randolph is not dumbest player on the team. If anything he's confused of what his role is on this team because Nellie keeps jerking him in and off the bench.

[old rem]

It would be something only the warriors would do. Rather than COACH......take a loss on another talented player we fail to properly develop. That's why last draft I liked Curry and Hansborough and not some of the freshman projects. Curry and TH already had absorbed a lot of solid coaching,had the core skills.

We didn't keep Clifford Ray...now seen as one of the better big man coaches. Maybe Turner is good....in Nellyworld there's so many variables,mainly Nellie himself,it's hard to find accountability.
I feel it's often up to the player to find outside coaching on his own. Even then, when it comes to bigs,Nellie seems to see them as a nessecery evil and persists in having a short supply of big men and then using that as the annual excuse to play his undersize teams. Mullin tried getting bigs...many of whom Nellie refused to even ALLOW to succeed. Mullin figured long/lean greyhounds,stretched out SF's might work and to some degree,Nellie has been okay with Randolph + Wright,but it's been a quick hook all along.

We COULD have.....dirt cheap....had DeJuan Blair,AND Shelden Williams. Williams was a low $ FA and Blair went rd 2. Already each of them has had a double double playing on a top contender.

We let the opportunity slide,then Wright becomes the first big man injury of the season.

After last year's many injuries, You'd think we might want some depth...well....we are loaded up at SF,SG,combo G....we picked up Moore to basically replace Kurz and Davidson,but that's it. Nellie wants excuses to do his smallball routine.

[turk3d]

The whole team is not a train wreck.

Curry has been good.
Buike has been good.
Biedrins has been good (last night).
Jackson has been Jackson. (not any different than in the past)
Monta has been Monta.

On the other hand, Randolph has been seriously out of control. He tries too hard and thinks he can do more than he really can. He needs to learn his limitations. Also he's always been very selfish. Now I can be OK with that if it results in a net gain for the team. But more often than not his selfishness directly results in a turnover or a wildly missed shot. The dude could have Curry right next to him calling for the ball, but will instead take it into trouble rather than give it up. He thinks he's friggin Magic Johnson.

Of course it's just the first two games, but:
Curry has been decent (turning the ball over a lot but better than everyone else at distributing the ball and his shot seems to be coming around).

Bukie's been good (shot over 60% so far) but he too has just played 18 and 23 minutes respectively).
Biedrins was better this game, but @ just 20 minutes a game, does not help as much as he could. Is this the way he's going to be played from now on? If so, then we have a problem.

Jackson has been actually better than usual but has 3 apg as compared to 3 tos. Not a very good a/t ratio.

Monta, although he's getting his points, he's not shooting his norm of 50%, it's more like 43.6%. And similar to Jack, he's averaging just 4 apg (not good for a "supposed" point guard) and 4 tos, another 1:1 a/t ratio. Even Andris has a 2:1 a/t ratio.

Even though Randolph is shooting only 30.8%, Mags is shooting just 23.8% and has gotten more playing time (22.0 to 17.5) than Randolph in spite of averaging 3 tos per game as compared to Randolph's 1.

As for AR, he doesn't think he's Magic, it's just some of our fans who do. You can't blame him for that. Both Randolph and Morrow are suffering immensely as a result of the selfish basketball being played by Jackson, especially Monta (apparently Jack's influence) and Maggette. They're not getting the ball when they're either open or in a good position to score the majority of the time (the only ones whom I've seen try to get the ball to them is Curry and sometimes surprisingly Jack on occasion to Andris).

Biedrins is shooting almost 90% and yet has only gotten 9 shots in the first two games.

Randolph isn't selfish at all. The reason you are seeing him (and even Morrow) starting to take bad shots is because they are being frozen out by Jack and Monta (Maggette freezes out everyone) and basically realize that if they want to get a shot, they're going to have to take it whenever the ball comes their way (which is not very frequent). Selfish ball breeds selfish ball. This is what happens when you're on a team where most of your guys are purely looking to go one on one and get their own shots, it more or less forces you to do the same.

There's a really simple solution to this problem, the coach just has to force them to play team ball and if they don't, bench the guys who don't and play the guys who do. Unfortunately for these first two games at least, Nellie's doing the exact opposite. It almost seems that he wants them to play this way. I don't know how else to interpret it. He can just tell them to stop and if they don't, bench them and play guys who will.

It wouldn't take much to correct it, but if he continues as is, he'll just encourage them to play this kind slopball which only serves to encourage other guys who prefer team play, to hop on the slopball bandwagon, some of which we've already seen. Yes, this team in it's current state is in fact a trainwreck, not just one or two players, especially when the player really hasn't been getting the much run.

[Soca]

I can't believe someone just called Randolph the dumbest and most selfish player on the team.

Corey Maggette says hello.

[old rem]

Thinks he's Magic Johnson...no,Magic passed a lot. More like Dr J going for the dunk. AR is ALMOST getting the scores but when there's D at the rim you can't stubbornly go right through it when you are not a real power guy.

I had expected AR to be passing more. I can't say who tells him what but I recall in his first summer league he was passing.

It's worth note here that AR was pretty much last in assists per minute on the Warriors. I DO feel that coaching and experience are the key,also that Nellie's inclination to encourage Jackson+Maggette to force offense is a clue. What's rewarded here is evidently not the kind of thing we think we want more of. On top of all that,Nellie seems rather fickle. Whatever the big plan is Monday,probably by Friday,it's something much different.

[turk3d]

Anyone who thinks pass first on this team will get even less shots than they're already getting (you have 3 guys now getting the majority of them minutes who think shoot first and ask questions later). Might as well start heaving like the rest of 'em.