would u make this trade?

[thaAteam]

dallas trades
josh howard
shawne williams
dallas gets
marcus camby
kelenna azuibuke
gs trades
stephen jackson
kelenna azuibuke
gs gets
josh howard
lac trades
marcus camby
lac gets
stephen jackson

dallas gets a lil depth at their center spot, also gets a sg that can actually shoot, gs dumps jackson, they get an expiring in howard unless they pick up his team option, and a solid forward whom nellie drafted. lac reunites davis and jackson, they get better defensively at the 3, and i think are more well rounded for a playoff run. clips dont normally take on long term salary but its about time they get competeive.

[casanova0283]

sure would, look cool for all sides, i like buikes 3 point shooting, and i like the addition of "touches" upfront. i think j ho has run his course as a mav.

[creative1]

I would definitely do that. Camby would be great here and Buke is a nice, strong SG.

[SamBone]

why would Clipps want Jackson?

but looks good from Dallas side

[SHIMO]

i dont care of our center than our small guards.

our center
Dirk(7-) Damp(6-11) Gooden(6-10)


our SG
Kidd(6-4), JET(6-2), JJB(5-10)
*temporally Ross(6-7)

our PG
JET(6-2), JJB(5-10)
*temporally Kidd(6-4)


The issue is not who is a starter. The issue is who plays at the positions most of the time.
Actually our Center is one of our problem but it is not our biggest problem.

After adding Matrix at SF, seemingly our biggest issue is at PG.
http://www.82games.com/0809/BYPOSIT.HTM

[the_real_Cstein]

i dont care of our center than our small guards.

After adding Matrix at SF, seemingly our biggest issue is at PG.
http://www.82games.com/0809/BYPOSIT.HTM

Production by position is a bit flawed for me. I noticed the championship winning Lakers have the 26th best PG by Net Rank, but it wasn't hard to see for the lakers how much Fisher helped that team when he got there 2 years ago. It also wasn't hard to see last June that without his ability to hit timely 3's, the lakers may not have put the magic away.

Looking at Kidds rank, sure you might see a problem. But if you comb deeper you will see that Kidd ranks 5th in FG%, 1st in Rebounds, 5th in Assists and 10th in T/O's. His overal PER is low because hes not a scorer and most every PG in the league takes a larger volume of shots for their team. Look into the individual production stats for Kidd and while he is -1.4 net production, he is +12.4 net on court vs. off court. That is by far the best on court/off court rating for the team and even one of the highest in the league. Fishers #'s are very much the same. He is -4.2 production, but +8.1 net on court/off court which cannot be ignored.

With a defensive center maybe some of those waterbugs would be afraid to take it past kidd to the hole. Atleast thats what we hope for.

[SHIMO]

@the_real_Cstein

We allowed more points to the opponents PG ... even than Sacramento. Yes, its worst..

Actually our offence is better than LAL at PG. Keeping higher FGA, JKidd and JJB are great rebounders in this league.

But how many points our PGs got from the oppenent? It is ranked 29 place. It is less than LAL.
(if our PGs could keep +Plus through a game, i dont care how many points our PGs got. )


So... Baddest defence, almost fewest points... and... what is the problem to the opponent?
Rebound at PG is really matter to them?


i didnt write Kidd is our problem. I wrote our PG is the biggest problem.
Kidd is a great contributor for us especially on defence. But his contribution doesnt reflect enough on defence. Why?

Because there is another huge hole which Kidd cannot cover.
(surely kidd cannot cover on defence at PG because he plays at SG with JET or JJB)

Actually, our center is not good. I agree. But as you see, without Pt and Ast, our center did not have a huge problem. And I dont think that having Dirk and Matrix, our centers offence is a bigger issue than the worst defence at PG.



I know Mavs fan really like Offence than Defence.
But i strongly believe Defence is the key to win the championship.

Our center is not good. But not worst.

[the_real_Cstein]

Shimo, I agree, our PG defense is lacking overall and it is the main target which other teams choose to attack.

If u notice the full team by position stats, teams are using their largest volume of shots against us at PG, but the FG% is worse than @ any other position. Which tells me that yes they are attacking us at PG, but they are not having as much success as they are attacking us @ the other positions. (FG% wise.) So shot volume (19 for opp. vs. 11 for us) is at the root of the net differential you are seeing @ the PG position.

You are right that the stats are skewed by the 3 PG line up, and I'm not sure exactly how much credit Kidd deserves for our deficiencies.. But 82games says he plays 73% of the minutes, and JJ plays 40% so somewhere in there they are both getting lit up by PGs. But I also think this is a reflection of Cubans rule changes allowing perimiter players more freedom.

IMO, Kidds defensive impact shows up in the on court vs. off court net staticstic. My opinion on the center is much like yours.

[SHIMO]

Shimo, I agree, our PG defense is lacking overall and it is the main target which other teams choose to attack.

If u notice the full team by position stats, teams are using their largest volume of shots against us at PG, but the FG% is worse than @ any other position. Which tells me that yes they are attacking us at PG, but they are not having as much success as they are attacking us @ the other positions. (FG% wise.) So shot volume (19 for opp. vs. 11 for us) is at the root of the net differential you are seeing @ the PG position.

i dont know we can call that FG% at PG as a not-bad defence... allowing such a volume of shot. Because PGs FG% tends to be lower than other positions.

Thats why we might intentionally let opponents PGs attack... to keep lower FG%.

But when I played basketball, my coach told me to stop PG is the main issue on defence especially against nice teams. So, I dont think it is the best way to let opponents PGs attack intentionally... to get the title.

Our coach C might be challenging to classical basketball theories.

But honestly I cannot like it until that small basketball gets the title in this league.

You are right that the stats are skewed by the 3 PG line up, and I'm not sure exactly how much credit Kidd deserves for our deficiencies.. But 82games says he plays 73% of the minutes, and JJ plays 40% so somewhere in there they are both getting lit up by PGs. But I also think this is a reflection of Cubans rule changes allowing perimiter players more freedom.

seemingly 82games.com counts on Kidd as a PG on offence, even though JJB played along with him.

But it is not same to Defence. Thats why we need to mix several datas to know an exact data ... for our coach Cs comiplicated basketball.

IMO, Kidds defensive impact shows up in the on court vs. off court net staticstic.

yes. and he is an excelent defender. there is no doubt.

I really concern bout JJB and JETs time. Not Kidd.

thats why i think despite Kidds presence, our SG defence is worse too.

[the_real_Cstein]

i dont know we can call that FG% at PG as a not-bad defence... allowing such a volume of shot. Because PGs FG% tends to be lower than other positions.

Thats why we might intentionally let opponents PGs attack... to keep lower FG%.

But when I played basketball, my coach told me to stop PG is the main issue on defence especially against nice teams. So, I dont think it is the best way to let opponents PGs attack intentionally... to get the title.

Our coach C might be challenging to classical basketball theories.

lol. Yes you're right, he does love challenging conventional basketball.

I agree with what you say about defense starting by stopping the PG. I don't think there is any game plan to let them attack our PG intentionally. I checked and they are using eFG% for these #'s so the 3pt. shot has already been considered.

But you're right, we are clearly bad defensively @ both guard positions. Atleast at SG JET made our net PER reasonable, but 24th defensively is a big problem. Plus SG's are killing us @ high volume and high percentage. We are just lucky to have JET who is not even a starter otherwise our issues would be much more clear here. But then again this is nothing new, SG has always been our worst position.

Josh howard is going to be huge for us. Hopefully him playing at the SG will bring our defensive ranking to top 15, and if that means less 3 guard line up too, then our PG defensive ranking could improve as well. And then we have our secret weapon if it is ready by seasons end. Roddy should help those stats soon. I hope.

[SHIMO]

We are just lucky to have JET who is not even a starter otherwise our issues would be much more clear here. But then again this is nothing new, SG has always been our worst position.

Josh howard is going to be huge for us. Hopefully him playing at the SG will bring our defensive ranking to top 15, and if that means less 3 guard line up too, then our PG defensive ranking could improve as well. And then we have our secret weapon if it is ready by seasons end. Roddy should help those stats soon. I hope.

yes, you didnt write our team intentionally let opponents PGs shot. I knew that but my poor english sentence might make viewers confused. Im so sorry.


Maybe i think same things with you. Thats why i am concerning about our 3PGs heavy rotation.

If Jho came back...

Kidd, JET, Jho, Matrix, Dirk will play over 30min. So, how many PT is left for Jho at SG?
If JET plays over 30min at SG, simply we see Jho as a SG only every 6min in 1st and 3rd quater.
And JET and JJB are coming from the bench. And who does gouard at SG in this time? JET. Nothing changes.

Plus if Jho plays at SF about 20min, it means Matrix plays at 4 about 15-20min. And Dirk at 5.

Even though we got Camby or Kaman or another center, they will not become our X factor .

SG and Center are our long time issues. But having JET and JJB in our roration, we never solve those problems.

[the_real_Cstein]

If Jho came back...

Kidd, JET, Jho, Matrix, Dirk will play over 30min. So, how many PT is left for Jho at SG?
If JET plays over 30min at SG, simply we see Jho as a SG only every 6min in 1st and 3rd quater.
And JET and JJB are coming from the bench. And who does gouard at SG in this time? JET. Nothing changes.

SG and Center are our long time issues. But having JET and JJB in our roration, we never solve those problems.

Trust me. There are minutes for Jho. In the last 3 games; Carroll + Singleton + Ross = 20 min avg. When J ho comes back we will never see these guys. Barrea could lose minutes to terry @ PG. Humphries could lose minutes to matrix at PF. Terry will be a bettery player with less then 30 min. Right now he has to carry the bench and finish, but with josh there will never be a weak spot in the bench because either marion or josh will always be anchoring the group, and i don't see them resting at the same time. It will work. J Ho will get his time @ the SG & SF and Jet will be less of a feature. I HOPE JJ is pushed out the line up, or atleast used sparingly as kidds back up. I feel really good about carlisle making the minutes happen.

[SHIMO]

J Ho will get his time @ the SG & SF and Jet will be less of a feature. I HOPE JJ is pushed out the line up, or atleast used sparingly as kidds back up.

thats what i hope our team!

Or (although i think it doesnt happen) Mavs trade Jet... and JJ is pushed out by Roddy next season.