What are the positives of Stuckey again?

[D-31]

So he can get to the rim, but he can't finish once he gets their.

Can't shoot.

Poor decision making.

Can't defend.

How long will it take Dumars to cut his losses? Why couldn't Dumars be smart enough to sell high? We could have had Rondo, now all we have is a "PG" with no desirable PG skills. It's not like he could even fit in at SG since he's such a terrible shooter.

[HeroicKennedy]

So he can get to the rim, but he can't finish once he gets their.

Can't shoot.

Poor decision making.

Can't defend.

How long will it take Dumars to cut his losses? Why couldn't Dumars be smart enough to sell high? We could have had Rondo, now all we have is a "PG" with no desirable PG skills. It's not like he could even fit in at SG since he's such a terrible shooter.

No, Rondo would have bolted for more money or we would have overpaid him. Not to mention Rondo has the benefit of playing along three hall-of-famers.

Stuckey has his strengths, but when he starts to force the issue, his weaknesses become exposed quite badly. He needs to learn to play within himself and the offense to reach his full potential.

[FukaX]

If you look at him as a Shooting guard, his weakness doesnt seem so bad.

Just because he has body frame that resembles chauncey billups, he should not be tagged as the Franchise Super Point Guard.

I really hate this entitlement to minutes that he has been given since the departure fo Chauncey, he is not pressured at all to be sharp with his decisions. Also, a good defense starts with your pg, your starting point guard has to be at least average in keeping up with side to side movements.

An example of importance in point guard defense can be seen in the Lakers before arrival of Gasol. The lakers improved alot defensively just from replacement of defensively challenged Smush Parker to an average defender in Fisher.

A slashing pg that gets to the paint at will gets our bigs in foul trouble and gets opposition big man easy baskets aroudn the rim when our bigs move to help.

Stuckey is a defensive liability at the PG spot, but at SG hes perfect.

Obviously as of right now he does not have the offensive talents to take mintues from Rip and Gordon at the SG spot but we should not be forcing him to be something that hes not. He is not a natural floor general that keeps track of the shot clock or has an acceptable ASST/TO ratio for a Starting PG.

If what we are looking from the PG spot is some high volume scoring, we should have kept Iverson or let Ben Gordon play PG. If Stuckey is to be groomed to be a full time starting PG, he needs to develope better shot clock managment, better defense, and better Asst/TO ratio.

[SunTzuMachiavelli]

these dudes on this site are going to give you a headache for pointing out the obvious about Stuckey. I've already been there. Dudes are going to swear up and down he's a good defender. Elite at scoring, passing and rebounding. Then they'll call you names.

They'll prolly wait for him to have a better game though. He really sucked last one

[FukaX]

Scoring point guards of winning teams have to be able to have a FG of at least .450 to justify asst/TO ratios of less than 2.5

if FG is at low .400 and asst/TO ratio is below 2.5, what you got there is not scoring point guard but an inefficient point guard who should not be allowed to have the ball in his possession for longer than 10 secounds.


Stuckey playing style resembles more of Stackhouse than Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups.

[Snakebites]

He got off to a great start then flamed out today. A lot like the entire team.

Stuckey hasn't yet developed the way we'd hoped. There's certainly no way to spin it otherwise. I've tried to remain supportive of him because, honestly, if we don't have a great young PG in him then this team REALLY has a long way to go before even having enough pieces to build a contending team, let alone actually get there.

If you feel you can chalk up his disappointing campaign last year to the messy state the team was in last year, that still leaves this year as the year he MUST get going. The early returns aren't good, but it is only 3 games.

It is funny though that all of the things in the OP are things I and several others were complaining about on draft day two years back. Of course, those of us who were complaining wanted Nick Young, so thats why you aren't seeing anyone claiming foresight on this issue....

[SunTzuMachiavelli]

in fairness to Stuckey his game was a perfect fit on his college team. Who can argue about ballhogging when you're clearly the best player on the team?

[HeroicKennedy]

The problem with Stuckey is pretty much shown in this game.

First half: great defensively, good job sharing the ball, smart about when to take shots and when to distribute.

Second half: bad defensively, became a ball-hog, took too many jumpers.

I just hate that we can't get the first half Stuckey more often.

[FukaX]

he jacks up shot and try to do more than he can because he is pressured to be great.

A great point guard was traded away for a 1 year rental ( iverson) because the GM thinks he is going to be in the class of elite young pgs of Rose, Jennings, Flynn, Rondo.

12 pt .450 5 assist/ game is not going to sit well with him.

I wouldnt be surprised if he measures himself to Billups and Iverson, the two established pgs that he has replaced.

[PistonHatersGetTheX]

I just don't know about Stuckey anymore. The more I watch him play, the more I don't like. His court vision and basketball IQ is almost nonexistent. He's just bad at everything that a PG should at least be decent at.

The only positive I can come up with for the dude is that he can get to basket whenever he wants but, unfortunately he misses layups at an alarmingly high rate.

At this point I'm hoping he can become a Jameer-like late bloomer (can't believe i just typed that...).

[SunTzuMachiavelli]

The problem with Stuckey is pretty much shown in this game.

First half: great defensively, good job sharing the ball, smart about when to take shots and when to distribute.

Second half: bad defensively, became a ball-hog, took too many jumpers.

I just hate that we can't get the first half Stuckey more often.

Is it me or was his first half performance, as far as his role as distributor, a lot more luck than skill? I remember Ben Gordon padding his assists by hitting heavily contested jumpers, and some serious defensive lapses by the bucks that gave Big Ben and Tayshaun wide open looks under the basket that padded those assists as well.

[D-31]

If you look at him as a Shooting guard, his weakness doesnt seem so bad.

Just because he has body frame that resembles chauncey billups, he should not be tagged as the Franchise Super Point Guard.

I really hate this entitlement to minutes that he has been given since the departure fo Chauncey, he is not pressured at all to be sharp with his decisions. Also, a good defense starts with your pg, your starting point guard has to be at least average in keeping up with side to side movements.

An example of importance in point guard defense can be seen in the Lakers before arrival of Gasol. The lakers improved alot defensively just from replacement of defensively challenged Smush Parker to an average defender in Fisher.

A slashing pg that gets to the paint at will gets our bigs in foul trouble and gets opposition big man easy baskets aroudn the rim when our bigs move to help.

Stuckey is a defensive liability at the PG spot, but at SG hes perfect.

Obviously as of right now he does not have the offensive talents to take mintues from Rip and Gordon at the SG spot but we should not be forcing him to be something that hes not. He is not a natural floor general that keeps track of the shot clock or has an acceptable ASST/TO ratio for a Starting PG.

If what we are looking from the PG spot is some high volume scoring, we should have kept Iverson or let Ben Gordon play PG. If Stuckey is to be groomed to be a full time starting PG, he needs to develope better shot clock managment, better defense, and better Asst/TO ratio.

I haven't seen him prove himself as a scorer, for a stretch last season, then he tanked towards the end of the season. I originally put it off as team turmoil thinking that he could bounce back this season. Now I'm thinking it had more to due with unpreparedness and poor scouting by the opposing teams. So sure playing SG would take some pressure off, but I don't see him making a huge jump as he's a pretty inefficient scorer since he shoots such a low percentage and doesn't have much of a three point shot.

And even if he is a fit at SG, is he going to be fitting at SG in Detroit? I don't see us being able to move Rip and/or Gordon anytime soon.

I will try to remain hopeful as an early season does lead to knee jerk reactions, just watching his game, I don't see a whole lot their to build on.

[Dirtgrain]

Is it me or was his first half performance, as far as his role as distributor, a lot more luck than skill?

I saw Stuckey draw defenders several times in the first half and nicely dish off for the assist. I want to see more of that.

[princeofpalace]

The problem with Stuckey is pretty much shown in this game.

First half: great defensively, good job sharing the ball, smart about when to take shots and when to distribute.

Second half: bad defensively, became a ball-hog, took too many jumpers.

I just hate that we can't get the first half Stuckey more often.

This is the story of his career thus far

he still doesnt know when to share and when to attack

first half Stuck is brilliant (didnt see the second half) but 2nd half seems panicked like he feels too much pressure to carry the team, which is odd considering that he really excelled in that role last season.

I think things will change a little once Rip gets back in the lineup- Stuckey wont have to do score too much. Id rather him play more as a PG and get those assists and control tempo like 1st half than play like an out of control SG like he did in 2.

At this point, Im wondering if Pistons should limit his time at the 2 and 3 so that he can focus on being a point guard.

[SunTzuMachiavelli]

why do people keep talking about Rip's absence as an excuse to ballhog? This team has other offensive threats. Ben Gordon and Tayshaun Prince were both shooting well last game, but yet Stuckey took way more shots and bricked most of them. Even if the people can't score, it's still a point guard's job to try to get them hot anyways.

I don't care who's on the floor. A PG should NEVER be shooting up jumpers against a double team with 19 seconds still on the shot clock, it's absolutely inexcusable and retarded. That's something you do only when the shot clock is running out. He should at least be trying to find a better shot then that before he puts it up. It's not too complicated to set a couple picks, see if someone pops open or creates a mismatch instead of aggressively chucking up bricks.