Tyrus

[Gray Poster]

Are the BULLS trying to screw Thomas over? He played very good against Miami and he got screwed. The team got screwed because he was not in there in the 4th quarter. He makes a difference in the game with both his defense and offense. He basically put the team oin position to win the Spurs game with his 10 point 3d quarter and he was doing some good thins in the 3rd against Miami. He is getting pushed out, I guess, because he will not be here next year. But my problem is that the Bulls look better when they go big and not small. I like Tyrus at SF with Taj/Noah/Miller at PF/C and either Salmans or Deng at SG.

Better size and more inside scoring. We cann't hit threes, so they need to be bigger

[boogydown]

Why post this?

Yes, the Bulls are trying to screw their own players.

Tyrus at the 3. Please. He is only there now so he can learn how to box people out. Deng cannot play the 2. He is to slow, can't hit the 3.

Lock.

[Leto]

This is a legitimate post. Why do you want to lock it?

Your premise that Tyrus is playing the three so he can learn to box out is ridiculous.

Don't lock. This is a good question. Why hasn't Tyrus gotten the opportunity to play crunch time minutes? Its not like the small line up with Deng at PF has won any games. Further, Tyrus has played very well despite inconsistent minutes due to experimental rotations by Vinnie. The preseason is over. We need are highest impact players on the floor and Tyrus can do it at both ends of the floor. We need a consistent rotation and Tyrus and Noah need to be a part of it. They have been our best players along with Kirk this pre season and through the first 3 games.

[AirP.]

Want to know why Tyrus isn't out there?

Vinnie doesn't feel comfortable with Tyrus out there compared with Taj. Yes Tyrus is a much better player and puts up much better stats BUT his style of play makes coaches nervous and with that.

Tyrus just isn't consistent and those types of players can make coaches nervous and with that, some coaches go with "safer" players. But if you give the kid big minutes, his stats will even out and he'll be a factor for this team, in smaller doses you're never going to get Tyrus to really help your team.

He'll be somewhere else next year and in 2 years we'll all be scratching our heads why we didn't give him big minutes while on this roster because he'll be putting up great numbers and be a game changer on the defensive end.

Just move him and let this team move on. I'd love see Tyrus and Noah get 35 minutes a game for a couple of months with Miller being the 3rd big that gets decent minutes but Vinnie won't do that.

[t-time]

The Bulls are a joke for how they have handled Tyrus for the past 4 years. I dont even know why we drafted him in the first place if we were not committed and patient enough to develop him.

If I was Tyrus I would GTFO next year even if the Bulls offer him an extension. They are killing his career.

[Leto]

I disagree. Tyrus has been a consistent performer in preseason and the regular season. And, I don't see Taj out there in crunch time either. It has zero to do with Taj because Taj is inconsistent and gets his arse handed to him by much bigger and stronger guys.

No, this is about Vinnie trying to figure out what he has. It's also Vinnie trying to please Paxson (Rose HAS to be out there), Kirk, Salmons and Deng--one of whom would not be on the floor in those minutes if Tyrus is out there.

[whonka]

No 3 point shooting? Then one way to remedy your offensive efficiency problems is to have offensive rebounds and putbacks. Tyrus is the 2nd best guy on the team at that, and he should be in there.

[AirP.]

I disagree. Tyrus has been a consistent performer in preseason and the regular season. And, I don't see Taj out there in crunch time either. It has zero to do with Taj because Taj is inconsistent and gets his arse handed to him by much bigger and stronger guys.

No, this is about Vinnie trying to figure out what he has. It's also Vinnie trying to please Paxson (Rose HAS to be out there), Kirk, Salmons and Deng--one of whom would not be on the floor in those minutes if Tyrus is out there.

I"m mostly talking about how they play, you know where Taj is going to be, around the basket. Tyrus you're not quite sure if he's going to go after a rebound from where he is out on the wing. Now with that said, Tyrus' rebounding rate is higher then Taj's. Basically Taj just looks like a safer player. To me, Tyrus is a better Josh Smith but Josh gets big minutes and is being utilized in the offense... and of course with his minutes he also gets whispers of All-Star while Tyrus sits the bench for 24 year old rookies or over the hill 3pt shooting PFs like Tim Thomas.

I'm all for giving Tyrus and Noah 35 minutes a night. I still can't believe we had a backup PF come in and play 13 straight minutes in the first half. Talk about telling your starter he's a piece of ****!

I have zero faith in this franchise developing projects. People surprised that Rose isn't taking over? Why, he still has people above him on the offensive pecking order... Deng and Salmons. You get rid of those 2, we take a step back but Rose is then put into a I have to score mode and learns to carry a team. Without that he'll do pretty much what he's been doing, picking spots to attack and the rest of the time... try to run the team by not scoring and just moving the ball.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Want to know why Tyrus isn't out there?

Vinnie doesn't feel comfortable with Tyrus out there compared with Taj. Yes Tyrus is a much better player and puts up much better stats BUT his style of play makes coaches nervous and with that.

Tyrus just isn't consistent and those types of players can make coaches nervous and with that, some coaches go with "safer" players. But if you give the kid big minutes, his stats will even out and he'll be a factor for this team, in smaller doses you're never going to get Tyrus to really help your team.

He'll be somewhere else next year and in 2 years we'll all be scratching our heads why we didn't give him big minutes while on this roster because he'll be putting up great numbers and be a game changer on the defensive end.

Just move him and let this team move on. I'd love see Tyrus and Noah get 35 minutes a game for a couple of months with Miller being the 3rd big that gets decent minutes but Vinnie won't do that.

+1. Vinny doesn't play Tyrus late because he doesn't trust him, but Tyrus is usually better (more focused) late in the game than he his early. The result is that we see the worst of Tyrus more often than we see the best.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Tyrus has played well so far through three games. If he continues to play well and he doesn't see an increase in his minutes - then I'll start bitching. Taj earned some minutes with his preseason play, and now its up to Tyrus to steal those minutes back.

Just keep doing what you do Tyrus, you'll see the benefits - if not here than on another team.

[AirP.]

Tyrus has played well so far through three games. If he continues to play well and he doesn't see an increase in his minutes - then I'll start bitching. Taj earned some minutes with his preseason play, and now its up to Tyrus to steal those minutes back.

Just keep doing what you do Tyrus, you'll see the benefits - if not here than on another team.

Please.... no more about preseason play. Vets are just warming up for the season and making sure they don't injure their selves, rookies and guys barely on the roster are giving a great effort to try to move up or keep a roster spot. The preseaon is a HORRIBLE way to judge a player as a whole, you can look at individual things like their shooting, endurance and understanding the system, but overall effectiveness going against players not trying nearly as much as they will during the preseason... NO. Taj played "good enough" to get SOME minutes in the rotation, not to become a major part of the rotation.

What's sickening to me, Taj is getting more minutes by far at PF then Tyrus is. Right now Vinnie is tossing Tyrus SF minutes to keep the minutes somewhat respectful.

[Gray Poster]

I thought Deng at the 4 with Noah or Miller at center would be great. Last night, it did not work. Deng was not go hard to the boards, like he did against the Spurs.

We need to play a big lineup since we are not shooting 3's without BG. I liked what I saw against the Wizards in the last preseason game.

Tyrus has looked good at the 3 this season and he jumper is getting better. I actually think he could play the 3 at least as well as Deng.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Please.... no more about preseason play. Vets are just warming up for the season and making sure they don't injure their selves, rookies and guys barely on the roster are giving a great effort to try to move up or keep a roster spot. The preseaon is a HORRIBLE way to judge a player as a whole, you can look at individual things like their shooting, endurance and understanding the system, but overall effectiveness going against players not trying nearly as much as they will during the preseason... NO. Taj played "good enough" to get SOME minutes in the rotation, not to become a major part of the rotation.

What's sickening to me, Taj is getting more minutes by far at PF then Tyrus is. Right now Vinnie is tossing Tyrus SF minutes to keep the minutes somewhat respectful.

Fine - should we talk about practice? Pretty much every beat writer wrote about how Taj was blowing everyone away in practice. But since we don't get to see practice I thought I'd stick with pre-season. Regardless Taj earned minutes - and Tyrus will earn them right back if he keeps playing like he is playing.

I'm as big a Tyrus fan as anyone - but its his fourth year and he has developed enough that he can go out and earn his minutes. Which he is doing.


As for playing him at the three - I really don't have a problem with it so long as we use him like we have been. Defensively Tyrus is much better at the three, and I think he rebounds from that position better as well. His offense suffers, but so long as they keep him involved he'll be okay there.

[AirP.]

Please.... no more about preseason play. Vets are just warming up for the season and making sure they don't injure their selves, rookies and guys barely on the roster are giving a great effort to try to move up or keep a roster spot. The preseaon is a HORRIBLE way to judge a player as a whole, you can look at individual things like their shooting, endurance and understanding the system, but overall effectiveness going against players not trying nearly as much as they will during the preseason... NO. Taj played "good enough" to get SOME minutes in the rotation, not to become a major part of the rotation.

What's sickening to me, Taj is getting more minutes by far at PF then Tyrus is. Right now Vinnie is tossing Tyrus SF minutes to keep the minutes somewhat respectful.

Fine - should we talk about practice? Pretty much every beat writer wrote about how Taj was blowing everyone away in practice. But since we don't get to see practice I thought I'd stick with pre-season. Regardless Taj earned minutes - and Tyrus will earn them right back if he keeps playing like he is playing.

I'm as big a Tyrus fan as anyone - but its his fourth year and he has developed enough that he can go out and earn his minutes. Which he is doing.


As for playing him at the three - I really don't have a problem with it so long as we use him like we have been. Defensively Tyrus is much better at the three, and I think he rebounds from that position better as well. His offense suffers, but so long as they keep him involved he'll be okay there.

He earned less minutes last night for some reason.

Never heard of practice players?

I don't think Taj's minutes are mostly about Taj as they are about Tyrus.

What another tough situation for Tyrus... not only is he not getting extended, he's gotten his minutes cut for a 24 year old rookie who's doing not much on the court. Who knows, maybe Vinnie got word to keep Tyrus' minutes short just so that he can't put up big stats and Chicago "MIGHT" make Tyrus' agent nervous that his client won't get the minutes to show how valuable he could be, and with that... accepting a lower contract then he feels he should.

It would be very sickening if Tyrus' minutes all of a sudden jumped up to 30+ after the negotiating period is over, which I think is today.

[DuckIII]

I'm a little torn. I like the Rose/Hinrich/Salmons/Deng/Noah lineup because they are our 4 best players.

I could also understand a Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller lineup to finish out games, depending on the match-up.

I guess it comes down to whether or not Vinny feels more comfortable with Tyrus out there over either Hinrich or Miller. I view it as a tough call. I'm not sure quite what to think of it yet.

We all kinda new that figuring out the crunch time rotations, minutes, and style of play was going to be an issue early in the season now that Gordon is gone.

I intend to be patient on this issue.