Spacing the Floor: 3pt Shooters

[Chi town]

I've made it known that I want the Bulls to get Wade, resign Tyrus, and let Salmons walk.

No matter what happens this summer the Bulls still need 3pt shooting NOW and GOING FORWARD. The 3pt shooting really needs to come from the sf/pf position too because that is where the spacing really opens up the floor and will make Rose even more effective.

Trade or FA could yield the perfect backup SF/PF that can shoot from distance

Here's a few off the top of my head:

Travis Outlaw
Al Harrington
Ryan Gomes
Rasual Butler

I think James Johnson could emerge as that player but I don't think Vinny will give him the time to develop into that shooting/spacing/tweener.

[theanimal23]

We have a roster where players can make 3 pointers:
-Hinrich
-Salmons
-Pargo
-Miller

Skillset, yet unproven:
-Johnson

Rose has been working on this all year. Deng is a captain and a hardworker.

The issue is not having players who can shoot/hit the 3. It's the lack of either post-scoring or a go-to scorer that can command the attention of the defense. Rose has yet to be healthy. If he becomes more aggressive, this could change the dynamic of the offense. Hollinger has stated that Deng will be used as a first option more often this year in our sets. Some believe he can be that option.

We have the shooters, IMO, we are lacking other pieces to this roster to give us easier opportunties from 3

[Chi town]

I didn't see until after my post that Doug has the same subject going on his blog:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... .html#more

Although they aren't really discussing the potential options.

Someone did mention:

Anthony Morrow and Azubuike

[Chi town]

We have the shooters to be a mediocre 3pt shooting team. Hinrich and Salmons both shot 40% from 3 last year but neither of them shot a lot of them.

[theanimal23]

I disagree because the Bulls obviously feel as that our current guards and SF are adequate in this regard due to the roster they assembled for this season. IMO, these shooters will be successful if we had a Dirk/Okur-esque player to either spread the floor for Rose, or had a legit low-post presence. Until then, our players may struggle to hit the 3 due to the difficulty of coverage they face. Not due to their inability to hit the 3. That sounds contradictory, but I hope my message is being articulated. What I'm saying is, say Morrow was on this squad, it's likely he would shoot a lower percentage due to the limitation of this roster.

[Great]

Pargo is a bad shooter. He is no three point specialist like Eddie House or jason Kapono.

Pargo is no instant offense like Eddie House.

With Kirk the first guard of the bench, it makes no sense for the 4th guard off the bench to be a non shooting 6'1" guard who needs the ball to be effective.

Pargo was a bad signing for this roster if he is to be the 4th guard.

Look at the number of three point attempts Miller has for a career. Though he can mke 3's, Miller is not a 3 point shooter.

Troy Murphy is a three point shooting big man. Murphy 1100 3 attempts to 360 3 attempts for their careers.

The Bulls lack 3 point shooting. Kirk and Salmons are the 3 point shooters for the Bulls. Two guys

If you are running pick and roll, dribble drive, posting up bigs...no matter what offense you need guys to space the floor.

The big obvious, gigantic hole in the roster is a back up SF who takes and makes 3's. The guy that backs up Deng at SF should be a serious 3 point shooter.

They failed to fill that void in the roster.

[Chi town]

Having Arroyo over Pargo would be nice right about now.

[Rerisen]

The big obvious, gigantic hole in the roster is a back up SF who takes and makes 3's. The guy that backs up Deng at SF should be a serious 3 point shooter.

Or a *starting* SF who takes and makes threes.

What effect does the three point shooting of your SF have on offenses? Interesting analysis here from Basketball-statistics.com from last season.

Not startling, teams that have SF's who shoot between 30% and 40% on threes were part of the best offensive teams in the league.

Teams with guys that shoot over 40% were actually a tad worse. Perhaps specialists that don't do a lot else.

Teams that have a small forward shooting under 30% belong to teams that had the worst offensive ratings of the bunch.




*Deng actually shot 40% on threes last season, but his volume is so low, we might as well consider him as a non-three point shooting SF for the effect it has on the offense.

Of course for the end of last season, we had Salmons at SF and he shot the three well and was not a specialist. And during the stretch he started, our offense dominated.

[Chi town]

Nice stats.


Budinger is playing well at making 3s form the SF spot for the Rockets.

What about Brian Cook.

[Great]

from a pure what the team needs to be succesful perspective, this question has to be asked.

Why did they waive SF/SG Byars?

I understand money.

Is the money worth what they''ll lose this year with a team that will be regressing or worse not progressing?

From a basketball, team progression, playing to win as much as you can right now perspective waiving him made no sense. The machine won't work without the parts. What he does is most glaring missing part of the machine.

You can't be succesful without someone filling that void. And you cut a player who we all saw fill that void.

I can stand losing, I can't stand not trying. If the team is not willing to fill the roster void are they trying to win?

[Great]

The big obvious, gigantic hole in the roster is a back up SF who takes and makes 3's. The guy that backs up Deng at SF should be a serious 3 point shooter.

Or a *starting* SF who takes and makes threes.

What effect does the three point shooting of your SF have on offenses? Interesting analysis here from Basketball-statistics.com from last season.

Not startling, teams that have SF's who shoot between 30% and 40% on threes were part of the best offensive teams in the league.

Teams with guys that shoot over 40% were actually a tad worse. Perhaps specialists that don't do a lot else.

Teams that have a small forward shooting under 30% belong to teams that had the worst offensive ratings of the bunch.




*Deng actually shot 40% on threes last season, but his volume is so low, we might as well consider him as a non-three point shooting SF for the effect it has on the offense.

Of course for the end of last season, we had Salmons at SF and he shot the three well and was not a specialist. And during the stretch he started, our offense dominated.

If they would put just one 3 point spot up shooter in the starting line up.

I felt this way in preseason. They had the pieces in preseason. They just had to put them in the right place.

Budinger is playing well.

[pduh01]

Even though Salmons, Kirk, Pargo, and Even Miller can knock the three point line but not efficiency well for this season so far even though it's early.

Which I beleive the offense can be stagnant at times which I see the past three games including against the Spurs even though the lack of ball movement and player stand around is the main reason.

[Sham]

Having Arroyo over Pargo would be nice right about now.

He's a much worse jumpshooter than Pargo is, so the relevance of that in this thread seems tenuous.

from a pure what the team needs to be succesful perspective, this question has to be asked.

Why did they waive SF/SG Byars?

I understand money.

Then you understand the answer, and why the "pure" perspective you wish for is not the sole factor in that decision.

[Bullsfan87]

I would try to see if we could get anyone for Taj + a pick. Just a spot up shooter at SF or SG who can come in for spells and shoot 3s at a high %.

Taj is playing a lot of minutes now so I wonder if we could be showcasing him somewhat.. If we made a trade we could play Deng a little more at the 4 where he has been really good so far.. and give our starters starters minutes.

Or we could have just kept Byars..

Or another small solution, run plays for an open Deng 3. He can hit them, he hits long 2s all day so its one step back.. I think he could be respectable from behind the arc.

[boogydown]

I would try to see if we could get anyone for Taj + a pick. Just a spot up shooter at SF or SG who can come in for spells and shoot 3s at a high %.

Taj is playing a lot of minutes now so I wonder if we could be showcasing him somewhat.. If we made a trade we could play Deng a little more at the 4 where he has been really good so far.. and give our starters starters minutes.

Or we could have just kept Byars..

Or another small solution, run plays for an open Deng 3. He can hit them, he hits long 2s all day so its one step back.. I think he could be respectable from behind the arc.

Why do people think Byars is amazing? You can't pick up any random player, and insert him into an amazing NBA player.

Also a random shooter (SF or SG) is not going to be an upgrade over what we have now. The guys we have now are good, they just aren't clicking right now. If we want amazing talent there, we need to look into an actual star who can help Rose in the back court otherwise I'd rather keep who we have.