The cost of just being a PLAYER in the 2010 Free agency.

[AirP.]

Just a little look back what it's costing Chicago to be a player in the 2010 FA.

We're going to just let a #2(basically) and #3 draft pick walk.
Going to let Miller walk more then likely, possibly Salmons too, I'm sure if we get a backcourt player Hinrich will be gone also...

So it comes to this...
We MIGHT get a 29 year old Dwayne Wade, MIGHT. The team we let walk or moved to allow this CHANCE to sign him...

PG - Hinrich
SG - Gordon
SF - Salmons
PF - Tyrus
C - Miller

That's actually a solid team there that probably would be a playoff team that could get into the 2nd round this year, and possibly next year depending on Miller's decline.

[Sham]

If we don't get a huge name, there's no reason for the rest to be walking, and if we do get a huge name, there's no reason for them to be staying.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Just a little look back what it's costing Chicago to be a player in the 2010 FA.

We're going to just let a #2(basically) and #3 draft pick walk.
Going to let Miller walk more then likely, possibly Salmons too, I'm sure if we get a backcourt player Hinrich will be gone also...

So it comes to this...
We MIGHT get a 29 year old Dwayne Wade, MIGHT. The team we let walk or moved to allow this CHANCE to sign him...

PG - Hinrich
SG - Gordon
SF - Salmons
PF - Tyrus
C - Miller

That's actually a solid team there that probably would be a playoff team that could get into the 2nd round this year, and possibly next year depending on Miller's decline.

You understand that we don't have to let all of them walk. We don't need to renounce a player until we are ready to sign someone. Tyrus will be a restricted FA and i assume we will offer him the QA until such time as we pull it back to saign Wade/whoever.

If we strike out immediately (as I expect most players will know there new home before teams are even able to sign) we can still resign whomever we want.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

If we don't get a huge name, there's no reason for the rest to be walking, and if we do get a huge name, there's no reason for them to be staying.

You said what I said. Only better. And more succinct.

[AirP.]

If we don't get a huge name, there's no reason for the rest to be walking, and if we do get a huge name, there's no reason for them to be staying.

Don't we have to withdraw the QO for Tyrus to have the room to sign a tier 1 FA and with that doesn't he become a regular FA where he can just sign with someone else?

Why keep Salmons if we sign a backcourt player, why keep Hinrich. Maybe we retain Miller.

Rose, Wade, Deng, Gibson, Noah isn't a championship squad because Rose and Wade will have to take turns dominating the ball to be truly effective. Better then we are now.. absolutely.

[anorexorcism]

"No reason for the rest to be walking?" That makes it sound like it's actually under our control whether these guys will come back.

It's up to Salmons whether to opt out or stay. As the Bulls never make the first move with their RFAs, It's up to another team to give Tyrus a huge offer that we then can't match. Gordon is already gone. Miller is an expiring contract and again, it will be up to him to take whatever he feels necessary.

The Bulls could lose all of these guys and then end up with Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose, Noah and peanuts (which I lump in Deng and Hinrich). At its very best, that team will probably be the 4th best in the East, and will never go anywhere. Hell, why would Wade even want to come to a team like that in the first place, when he can stay in Miami with Beasley and Chalmers, two guys that are much more promising than Hinrich and Deng, and get Bosh to come there?

C/Bosh/Beasley/Wade/Chalmers or Noah/F/Deng/Wade/Rose?

If I'm Wade, I stay. Unless we keep Tyrus, I don't see Wade being worth bringing here.

[Sham]

Don't we have to withdraw the QO for Tyrus to have the room to sign a tier 1 FA

Sure, but it doesn't have to be done until you know you've got one.

[MrSparkle]

Honestly, to me... The mind-boggling thing for many years has been this delusion of how important Kirk Hinrich is to the team's success. Before Rose was here, I felt we could've easily upgraded for a better young PG, or even a better veteran.

It's all a huge delusion. I understand that he brings some cohesiveness and stability to the team with his defense, intangibles and locker room presence, but COME ON!!!!! At best, we've been a second round underdog in the last 5 years, and even this year, we look like a 5th seed at best. AT BEST. And if we get beyond that, it'll be because Rose lived up to the expectations, not because Captain Kirk solidified the fortress.

You take his $8 million off the books, and you can keep Tyrus for the QO, atleast, if he projects to be better, or have more money to entice a big FA. Keeping him has been a low-risk, safe maneuver that has really gotten us nowhere beyond mediocre game. I wouldn't dump him for no reason, but if we're talking top-tier FA possibilities, or debating between him and Tyrus or Salmons, then it's a no brainer for me. Part with Captain Kirk and fill the backup PG void with a bargain player... because it doesn't look like Deng is getting traded anywhere with his current reputation.

[AirP.]

Don't we have to withdraw the QO for Tyrus to have the room to sign a tier 1 FA

Sure, but it doesn't have to be done until you know you've got one.

True, that's why I mentioned losing him for nothing like Gordon to get that Tier 1 FA. I don't dare question your salary cap skills.

[dougthonus]

We didn't lose Gordon to play in 2010. We lost Gordon to stay under the tax for this season. We also won't have to lose Hinrich to play in 2010.

In order to sign someone in 2010, we'll give up Miller, Salmons, and Tyrus. That's still quite a bit, but no need to exaggerate it by adding guys that aren't really related to that.

[AirP.]

We didn't lose Gordon to play in 2010. We lost Gordon to stay under the tax for this season. We also won't have to lose Hinrich to play in 2010.

In order to sign someone in 2010, we'll give up Miller, Salmons, and Tyrus. That's still quite a bit, but no need to exaggerate it by adding guys that aren't really related to that.

So what you're saying, trading with Sac... that wasn't a 2010 move? I think Chicago could have gotten more space for THIS SEASON to resign Gordon if they really wanted to instead of getting Miller's expiring contract for 2010. I think we could have also moved B.Miller's contract this sumer for a smaller but probably longer then 2010 contract to give us more space to sign Gordon.

Plain and simple, this franchise could have kept Gordon if it wanted. Sure I didn't like Gordon starting, but wow... he's a great 6th man who gives your team a chance to win if he gets hot.

[Grand.Champ]

This whole dominating the ball thing is retarded... do you know that wade averaged more assists than rose did last year right? And a crapton more points?

[Sham]

That's the thing with big points and assist numbers - you have to dominate the ball to get them.

[ballerkingn2]

the 2010 FA is all a bunch of bs at this point. None of the big players are gonna leave with the shrinking Salary cap and lux tax. Plus no one here mentions the impending lock out on the horizon. I think we are gonna have to get lucky again via the draft or maybe trades to get our team where it needs to be. Unless we can sign amare or Boozer otherwise still that's after the lock out issue is resolved.

[Sever82]

Just a little look back what it's costing Chicago to be a player in the 2010 FA.

We're going to just let a #2(basically) and #3 draft pick walk.
Going to let Miller walk more then likely, possibly Salmons too, I'm sure if we get a backcourt player Hinrich will be gone also...

So it comes to this...
We MIGHT get a 29 year old Dwayne Wade, MIGHT. The team we let walk or moved to allow this CHANCE to sign him...

PG - Hinrich
SG - Gordon
SF - Salmons
PF - Tyrus
C - Miller

That's actually a solid team there that probably would be a playoff team that could get into the 2nd round this year, and possibly next year depending on Miller's decline.

Sorry but that lineup is not a playoff team. Thats close to the lineup we had last year coming into the playoffs but sub in rose for hinrich and noah for miller, both player of which are better than this lineup you suggest and the bulls last year barely made the playoffs.