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Postby SmushedPennies on Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:50 pm

Wanted: Guy Like Wade

Maybe one day Dwyane Wade will play for the Bulls. Until then, his presence on the floor is a constant reminder of what his hometown team is still lacking: A playmaking superstar who can create and make shots for himself late in games.

The Bulls played fairly well on Sunday night against Wade and the Heat, but in the end they could not make a big stop when it counted. They did not have an answer for Wade in a 95-87 loss. The Marquette alum had 25 points but that doesn't begin to tell the whole story. At the end of the game, he got the ball on almost every possession. He made a jumper with just under three minutes to play to give the Heat the lead for good. He also had two key assists in the last couple of minutes.

Wade has the ability to draw the entire defense to him and create open looks for the rest of his teammates as he did several times at the end. Bulls point guard Derrick Rose has the same ability; the difference right now is that Rose is still learning how to consistently take and make that final shot. He hasn't been asked to do that up to this point in his career. Ben Gordon took most of the clutch shots last season, but he didn't usually create a look for himself. He needed another guard's help to do it.

That's what separates Wade and the elite-level superstars from everybody else. They can completely take over the end of games when they want to. I have no doubt that Rose will become that type of player for the Bulls one day, but until he does (or until Wade signs as a free agent with Chicago this summer) that is going to be an ongoing issue for this team.

Rose's health: After Thursday night's Bulls win over the Spurs, I asked Joakim Noah if he was worried about Rose, especially given that the team would be playing in a back-to-back against Boston the next night. "Do I worry about D-Rose?" he said. "Not at all."

Despite the fact the point guard scored just eight points and was 4-for-15 from the floor, it's easy to see where Noah was coming from. Rose played 35 minutes and is slowly starting to look like himself again after sitting out the past three weeks with an ankle tendon injury.

Although he still doesn't have the type of explosiveness that he showed throughout last season, it cannot be overstated how important his presence is on the floor. As stated above, he has the ability to create shots for his teammates -- just ask Luol Deng who racked up 26 points against the Heat.

Once Rose starts taking and making the shots that Wade does, his game will be even better.


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And once Joel Anthony starts posting up like Hakeem, his game will be better.

And I love how their solution for Rose not being able to take/make big shots right now is bringing in a guy who can. Would young-Wade have become the player he is if he was constantly deferring to current-Wade?
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby Zombie_Jesus on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:14 pm

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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby SmushedPennies on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:49 pm

Once we're done in Iraq, we'll withdraw the troops
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby ndnow on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:12 pm

Over on the Bulls board they are petitioning for new rims that will suit dwade better because he stated he doesn't like the rims :D
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby fishfuego. on Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:54 am

Lol ^.. they truly believe that Rose is somewhat a Wade.. tell Rose that he must begin by jumping out of the building ala Wade, then he must lead his team to the second round of the playoffs on his rookie year, then, become as created and clutch as Wade and.....
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby salqaddoumi on Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:32 pm

Ugh, we'll be seeing these types of articles all season long.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby Iputsomepantson on Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:42 am

If anything, Chalmers is Mr. Big Shot. He took that game tying three during the NCAA Championship game, while Rose missed a free throw at the end of the 4th to blow it.

If the Bulls wanted a player to take over games they should have drafted Beasley. Rose was never predicted to be a Wade-esque player. That type of comparison is simply unfair for the guy.

Rose is a PG, PG's asked to be a team's primary scorer and playmaker struggle. That's a big reason why the Nets went from 26-56 to 52-30 after Kidd was acquired for Marbury. That's a big reason why the Hornets and Wizards right now are struggling and that's a big reason why D-Wade doesn't want to play PG and why the Sixers were successful with AI at SG.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby boogydown on Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:35 am

Iputsomepantson wrote:If anything, Chalmers is Mr. Big Shot. He took that game tying three during the NCAA Championship game, while Rose missed a free throw at the end of the 4th to blow it.

If the Bulls wanted a player to take over games they should have drafted Beasley. Rose was never predicted to be a Wade-esque player. That type of comparison is simply unfair for the guy.

Rose is a PG, PG's asked to be a team's primary scorer and playmaker struggle. That's a big reason why the Nets went from 26-56 to 52-30 after Kidd was acquired for Marbury. That's a big reason why the Hornets and Wizards right now are struggling and that's a big reason why D-Wade doesn't want to play PG and why the Sixers were successful with AI at SG.


You don't know what you're talking about.

If Miami had drafted Rose, insert any max FA and be prepared to win 6 straight titles. Absolutely nobody could stop a Rose, Wade, Lebron combo.

You cannot compare Rose to Chalmers. They aren't even on the same level.

You cannot compare Rose to Beasley. Beasley is a scoring combo forward which Chicago already has. They drafted a pure PG (2nd most important position) which is hard to find while compared to a combo forward which is one of the easiest positions to add to your team.

Without Chris Paul, New Orleans would be one if not the worst team in the NBA. He has carried the team into the playoffs.

Without Gilbert Arenas, Washington was the worst team in the NBA last season. Though Gilbert is a scoring PG, he is still pretty important but not compared to the rest.

Without Deron Williams, Utah would never make the playoffs.

Without Steve Nash, Phoenix would never make the playoffs.

Without Chauncey Billups, Denver would never make the playoffs.

Your theory basically means Small Forward is a more important position than Point Guard, and that PG is a worthless position. That theory has been proven wrong multiple times as a Small Forward is the least most important position in the NBA.

1). Big - Power Forward/Center
2). Pure PG - Leads the offense
3). Scorer - Someone who can shoot

Those are the top 3 most important positions.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby Iputsomepantson on Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:00 pm

^Hey douchebag, how does what you say disagree with what I say on any level?

If you are going to counter me, at least make sure what you're saying actually counters what I'm saying.

First of all, if I can't compare Rose to Chalmers, how did I do it? Chalmers is clutch, Rose isn't. The article agrees.

Secondly, I didn't compare Rose to Beasley. Saying the Bulls should have drafted Beasley if they wanted a player to take over games is not a comparison. Rose is a PG and shouldn't be asked to take over games is all I'm saying with that.

Lastly, I'm not going to let you try to overanalyze every point I make. It's more than obvious you don't know how to read. So I'm just going to have some fun and prove you wrong on a tangent. Denver did make the playoffs without Billups. They went 50-32 pre-Billups the previous season. But that's not the point I'm arguing at all anyways.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby SmushedPennies on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:37 pm

lol boogydown, re-read the post your responded too.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby DBurks2818 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:04 am

Only 3 champions this decade have had a pure PG on their team: The '04 Pistons, the '06 Heat, and the '08 Celtics; and only two of those teams actually relied on that PG significantly to win. I wouldn't call a 'Pure PG' the second-most important position to have on a team, rather a star-level play-maker on the perimeter.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby TrueRain on Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:33 pm

boogydown wrote:
Iputsomepantson wrote:If anything, Chalmers is Mr. Big Shot. He took that game tying three during the NCAA Championship game, while Rose missed a free throw at the end of the 4th to blow it.

If the Bulls wanted a player to take over games they should have drafted Beasley. Rose was never predicted to be a Wade-esque player. That type of comparison is simply unfair for the guy.

Rose is a PG, PG's asked to be a team's primary scorer and playmaker struggle. That's a big reason why the Nets went from 26-56 to 52-30 after Kidd was acquired for Marbury. That's a big reason why the Hornets and Wizards right now are struggling and that's a big reason why D-Wade doesn't want to play PG and why the Sixers were successful with AI at SG.


You don't know what you're talking about.

If Miami had drafted Rose, insert any max FA and be prepared to win 6 straight titles. Absolutely nobody could stop a Rose, Wade, Lebron combo.

You cannot compare Rose to Chalmers. They aren't even on the same level.

You cannot compare Rose to Beasley. Beasley is a scoring combo forward which Chicago already has. They drafted a pure PG (2nd most important position) which is hard to find while compared to a combo forward which is one of the easiest positions to add to your team.

Without Chris Paul, New Orleans would be one if not the worst team in the NBA. He has carried the team into the playoffs.

Without Gilbert Arenas, Washington was the worst team in the NBA last season. Though Gilbert is a scoring PG, he is still pretty important but not compared to the rest.

Without Deron Williams, Utah would never make the playoffs.

Without Steve Nash, Phoenix would never make the playoffs.

Without Chauncey Billups, Denver would never make the playoffs.

Your theory basically means Small Forward is a more important position than Point Guard, and that PG is a worthless position. That theory has been proven wrong multiple times as a Small Forward is the least most important position in the NBA.

1). Big - Power Forward/Center
2). Pure PG - Leads the offense
3). Scorer - Someone who can shoot

Those are the top 3 most important positions.

lol @ this guy. Can't even read.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby sdeezy on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:09 pm

There were many games last year when Rose put the team on his back and made a bunch of pressure shots. Yeah Gordon had his share as well but the notion that Rose shy's away from trying to get big buckets is wrong. Sure he's not always successful and is a bit more passive than most Bulls fans would like but dude has had his share of taking over games as a rookie PG. He's had a slow start to the season because of a bum ankle..i dont get where this clowning of Rose is coming from.
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby Wade2k6 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:49 pm

I think a PG is important, but I don't think it's the 2nd most important position. How many teams in the last 25 years have won a title with a PG as their best player?

I'd say having an elite playmaker on the wing is more important then having a elite PG. The last time where the PG has been the best player on a title team was in '90 with Isiah Thomas. Shows how rare it is. The last 15 years the most important position has been a superstar wing (MJ, Kobe, Wade) or superstar big (Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, KG).
turk3d wrote:However, I can see him turning into an Amare on offense and a KG on defense. That's his ceiling imo.

Talking about the one and only Anthony "Magic Johnson" Randolph :rofl2:
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Re: Ah...Chicago journalists

Postby sdeezy on Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:05 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:I think a PG is important, but I don't think it's the 2nd most important position. How many teams in the last 25 years have won a title with a PG as their best player?

I'd say having an elite playmaker on the wing is more important then having a elite PG. The last time where the PG has been the best player on a title team was in '90 with Isiah Thomas. Shows how rare it is. The last 15 years the most important position has been a superstar wing (MJ, Kobe, Wade) or superstar big (Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, KG).


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