Jrue Holiday

[Boots]

What type of mins and stats are people expecting of him. Aside from any injuries that might occur, is it safe to day he won't be getting more then 10-12 mins a game this year. That being the case, does he have any fantasy value this year, even in a keeper league.

[ankle420breaker]

I wouldn't expect any fantasy value this year. It's still early, but it appears as though he'll be on a short leash for the better part of the season. He's only 19 so he is a little raw, but at the same time his competition for minutes consists of Willie Green, Royal Ivey, and Rodney Carney. I'd take Holiday over all of them right now, not only from a talent standpoint, but also because we're a middle of the pack team and I don't see any of the aforementioned stop gap veterans making a big enough impact to justify delaying the growth of someone who's much more a part of this team's future.

10-12 minutes could be about right for the year, but I'd hope he would at least get around 15 mpg after the all star break.

[Kevin12]

The only rookie PGs that have fantasy value are BJ, Tyreke, Flynn, and Steph.

[sixerbond]

It totally sadens me to see Holiday not even dressing, let alone playing the 35 to 40 minutes a
game that he SHOULD be playing. Anyone who saw Jrue in High School, and saw the early 5 games that he played against Brandon Jennings KNOWS how he totally " Punked " Jennings, and forced Brandon to transfer to another High School, so HE could get his props. And now, Brandon is lighting it up ONLY cause the Bucks are allowing him to do so cause they know they're gonna be bad anyways.


But yet we hire a totally " Clueless " Coach in EJ, A guy who has NEVER had any success
in this league. A guy who runs a " Clueless " offensive style that NO other good team has ever run,
cause they know it doesn't work. And we are letting a little guy in Williams be our PG some of the
time, even though he was never allowed to be a PG in his 3 years past so he could learn it under
Miller. And if it ain't him, we have a totally OVERRATED G/SF trying to be a PG, but is a TO Machine instead in Iggy!



All EJ is doing is stalling Holiday's growth as a PG by NOT playing him the required 35-40 minutes per
game that he should be getting. Screw our vets who think a young guy should not start. What the hell do they know ?



Nothing, just like our Head coach.

[Kevin12]

Don't worry, Holiday will get his.

EJ might not be letting him grow all that well, but at the same time, he is also pushing back the rookie wall that young points go through if they play from day 1.

[sixerbond]

Kevin, My point is that Jrue should be getting his NOW!!
He is physically mature. He is a natural PG with good defensive skills.
We need to bite the bullit now, so that he will be that much more mentally
mature as the season goes by. I mean it's not like we will be a
Championship team anyways. So why not play our youngsters
with the highest upside ? Cause EJ wants to think he can get early wins
by playing our older players who aren't close to Jrue talent wise.


That's my point kevin.

[Boots]

The only rookie PGs that have fantasy value are BJ, Tyreke, Flynn, and Steph.

The only reason I thought there might be value here was if Williams got hurt, then Holiday would be the first guy to replace him. And I was willing to keep him on the bench for a few months and see how he did. But it looks like he is way down in the depth charts with you guys.

[Kevin12]

Kevin, My point is that Jrue should be getting his NOW!!
He is physically mature. He is a natural PG with good defensive skills.
We need to bite the bullit now, so that he will be that much more mentally
mature as the season goes by. I mean it's not like we will be a
Championship team anyways. So why not play our youngsters
with the highest upside ? Cause EJ wants to think he can get early wins
by playing our older players who aren't close to Jrue talent wise.


That's my point kevin.

First off, why you preaching to me about Jrue Holiday? I'm a UCLA fan, I know everything about the kid.

There are a few flaws in your logic.

Number 1: Jrue is not physically mature enough yet
- He has a great NBA frame with room to grow. But his strength is lacking right now. He still hasn't filled out his frame.

Number 2: He has not grasped the offense enough to warrant playing time.
- This is a conclusion that the coaching staff came upon. He needs to continue to work hard in practice, point blank period.

Number 3: He isn't mentally strong enough yet and November is not the time to throw him out to the wolves.
- We're talking about the team concerned enough to hold him out of a preseason game against Knicks aggressive guards. So what the hell makes you think they would be playing him in the first month of the season?

Moral of the story, be patient. If Jrue was doing enough things in practice to warrant playing time, he'd be out there. End of story.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Kevin12: You don't need me to tell you how stagnant the offense becomes when we play Royal Ivey?

Jrue has natural PG skills that fit in any kind of offensive system. And quite frankly, even if he didn't read so much as a single play of Jordan's playbook, he could still run the Princeton better then this PG, who aint a PG. Or anything for that matter. Ivey just sucks.

Jrue to me, should at least get 10-15 MPG right now. And average something like that for the season.

-He's lightning quick
-He has a great NBA frame like you mention with room to grow.
-He has a solid 3pt shot.

Dude reminds me of Chanucey Billups in some ways. Give em some burn.

[youngcrev]

Well, he played 13 mins last night, while Ivey didn't play at all. Seems like a good sign after not playing at all in the first 2 games.

[UptownPhilly]

The coaching staff is making the right decision in bringing Holiday along slowly. We did the same thing with Young and Speights. These guys were drafted off the foundation of being players who may not be ready to contribute immediately, but will be solid as they develop. This method has been working to our advantage, as Young and Speights have become staples in our rotation.

To answer the OP, I expect Holiday to average somewhere between 16-18 mpg before the season ends. He seems like a player who has a natural feel for the game, and from what I've seen has the tools to be a solid rotation guy.

[sixerbond]

All this talk about how Jrue needs to physically develope more, and be brought along slowly
is complete BS!! Strength has NOTHING to do with basketball dominance. Bottom line Jrue should be our starter right now. Jrue should be playing 35 minutes a game EVERY GAME! And this talk about him
not knowing the " Princeton " offense is a Joke What, you think ANY of our other players have
any experience in it in the past ? I know Jrue, he was a 4.00 GPA kid in High School, dude could have
had a full ride to Harvard IF he wanted too. What, you're gonna try to tell me that Lou Williams has a better brain and knowledge than Holiday

Jrue has about 12 inches of reach over Chris paul, and was 4 years younger than Paul when he
came out. And yet, Jrue only did 3 less Reps at the pre-draft camp than Chris Paul, who with
a shorter arm reach makes it extremely easier to complete Bench presses. Jrue had a MUCH faster agility time than Paul..( The TRUE measure of a PG success, and not sprint time ),,,but, he was even
faster than Paul in the sprint too. And yet, anyone want to tell me what Paul's rookie stats were ? Or how many minutes HE played as a Rookie ? Posters here try to excuse EJ for not playing Jrue cause even though he is tall for a PG, he needs to get physically stronger. Well, does ANYONE here wanna guess how many of those " All Important " Bench presses that kevin Durant did when HE came out ?
I'll give you a hint,,,it's LESS than 1 And to this date, 2nd year " Skinney Boy " Durant has 34 career 30 + Pt games, and has made Lebron look silly at times trying to guard Durant. And Lebron can bench press more right now than ANY current, or former Philadelphia Eagle in History. I think bron did 635
bench Max as a 20 year old. And I'M SURE that was why he got the 44 minutes a game as a HIGH SCHOOL player his rookie year, and why he dominated. I guess Kevin Durant was an anomaly huh


Please, stop with the Jrue is being brought along just fine Rants. i mean they are flat out
Ridiculous!!!

[Kunlun]

All this talk about how Jrue needs to physically develope more, and be brought along slowly
is complete BS!! Strength has NOTHING to do with basketball dominance. Bottom line Jrue should be our starter right now. Jrue should be playing 35 minutes a game EVERY GAME! And this talk about him
not knowing the " Princeton " offense is a Joke What, you think ANY of our other players have
any experience in it in the past ? I know Jrue, he was a 4.00 GPA kid in High School, dude could have
had a full ride to Harvard IF he wanted too. What, you're gonna try to tell me that Lou Williams has a better brain and knowledge than Holiday

Jrue has about 12 inches of reach over Chris paul, and was 4 years younger than Paul when he
came out. And yet, Jrue only did 3 less Reps at the pre-draft camp than Chris Paul, who with
a shorter arm reach makes it extremely easier to complete Bench presses. Jrue had a MUCH faster agility time than Paul..( The TRUE measure of a PG success, and not sprint time ),,,but, he was even
faster than Paul in the sprint too. And yet, anyone want to tell me what Paul's rookie stats were ? Or how many minutes HE played as a Rookie ? Posters here try to excuse EJ for not playing Jrue cause even though he is tall for a PG, he needs to get physically stronger. Well, does ANYONE here wanna guess how many of those " All Important " Bench presses that kevin Durant did when HE came out ?
I'll give you a hint,,,it's LESS than 1 And to this date, 2nd year " Skinney Boy " Durant has 34 career 30 + Pt games, and has made Lebron look silly at times trying to guard Durant. And Lebron can bench press more right now than ANY current, or former Philadelphia Eagle in History. I think bron did 635
bench Max as a 20 year old. And I'M SURE that was why he got the 44 minutes a game as a HIGH SCHOOL player his rookie year, and why he dominated. I guess Kevin Durant was an anomaly huh


Please, stop with the Jrue is being brought along just fine Rants. i mean they are flat out
Ridiculous!!!

What the ****? Jrue needs to brought along slowly like the other Sixer youngsters (Iguodala, Young, Williams, Speights).

[sixerbond]

Please, stop with the Jrue is being brought along just fine Rants. i mean they are flat out
Ridiculous!!![/quote]
What the ****? Jrue needs to brought along slowly like the other Sixer youngsters (Iguodala, Young, Williams, Speights).[/quote]




FYI,,,Iggy played 33 min a game as a rookie. Young over 24 a game, and Speights 21 a game.
Only Lou Williams played like 6 min a game as a rookie. And you think that MAYBE
that was because Lou was a 5ft, 11 SG taken in round 2, with Iverson on the team. A selfish
player who B!tches IF he isn't starting, and getting 47.9 minutes per game.



Ya think Jrue was the best, and most recruited PG the last 25 years. He's taller, stronger, and
better defensively than Chris Paul was, and yet Chris got 36 minutes a game as a rookie.
And that's why he dominated so fast. Cause NO got his tough learning curve over his rookie season.

[sixerswillrule]

I didn't read most of that but saw the part about LeBron benching 635 and started laughing...