OT - Rule Discussion - Getting the Assist on a Foul Shot

[TorontoSF]

I think its incredibly stupid that they don't award assists if a player gets fouled. It should be if Player A would have gotten the assist if the Player B made the shot, they should get the assist if at least 1 of the 2 foul shots are made. Because of this really idiotic rule, teams who go the foul line alot seem not to have many assists when actually they are just getting fouled alot.

I don't understand why at all this began, but players should get assists on a play if the player receiving the pass is sent to the free throw line and makes at least 1 of 2 shots.

Does getting fouled eliminate the awesome play that the Assistor created? I don't think so, really this should be lobbied for because there is no reason that players making the pass should be punished is the player receiving the pass is fouled.

DISCUSSSSSSSS

I posted this in the general discussion forum also. I always thought this, but i was reminded of this today in the game. We went to the foul line ALOT today and because of that our assist numbers went down.

[hyper316]

that'll inflat the assist stat of today compared to history. i say let it be.

[knickerbocker2k2]

If anything they give out to many easy assists. I don't understand how hitting FTs should get you an assist. Hitting FTs is all up to the individual.

In fact I think they have lost the whole point of the assist. It should be pass leading DIRECTLY to the basket. To often you will see guy get the pass and make a basketball move (ala dribble past defender) and they will still give the assist. Assist should be given when you essentially do all the work leading up the basket. For instance they should not give assist if you just pass the ball to guy at the 3point line. In this scenario bulk of the work is still up to the 3point shooter. However if you attract the double team and you pass out, and the guy hits the open shot, then they should give to it you. But if you attract the double team, you pass it out, and they rotate, and that guy passes it to the next player, etc and so on, this scenario there should be no assist because the original guy (the guy doubled) did the bulk of the work.

[hyper316]

yea, awarding assists is kinda subjective. but usually the receiver of the ball should be in motion and about to shoot.

[TorontoSF]

If anything they give out to many easy assists. I don't understand how hitting FTs should get you an assist. Hitting FTs is all up to the individual.

In fact I think they have lost the whole point of the assist. It should be pass leading DIRECTLY to the basket. To often you will see guy get the pass and make a basketball move (ala dribble past defender) and they will still give the assist. Assist should be given when you essentially do all the work leading up the basket. For instance they should not give assist if you just pass the ball to guy at the 3point line. In this scenario bulk of the work is still up to the 3point shooter. However if you attract the double team and you pass out, and the guy hits the open shot, then they should give to it you. But if you attract the double team, you pass it out, and they rotate, and that guy passes it to the next player, etc and so on, this scenario there should be no assist because the original guy (the guy doubled) did the bulk of the work.

I completely agree with that statement, the score keepers give way too many easy assists.

But my argument is valid if they do give easy assists, but if they decided to be stricter about it, like in Europe, then I would be against it.

[ToffKobe]

If this rule were enforced scrubtacular guys like Jose Calderon would easily break Scott Skiles 30 (is it 30?) assists record.

[ZKS_STAL]

that's kind of dumb.

a foul is a stoppage in play - and the free throws are the beginning of a new play.

plus, if player b makes only one free throw then the assist doesn't have the same value it would if he had made both - so do you create .5 assists?

also, if player a wants to be credited with an assist he should hope player b at least makes an attempt at continuation.

to sum up, this is kind of dumb.

[breignchile]

I think that a pass leading to a made free throw should result in a 0.5 assist. They have 0.5 sacks in football, basketball should also adapt it. At the very least they should be recording it (for future use) so they can figure out how often it occurs.

I guess there are some grey areas though. If a team is in the penalty do you reward the player who passed the ball to a teammate who was than fouled (non-shooting) but sinks both free throws?

I think the NBA should incorporate a lot of additional stats. Tipping a rebound to a teammate should be a stat or included in rebounds (maybe 0.5 for the player who tips the ball and for the player who recovers the ball).

Also, in some situations a player strips the ball from another player, but their teammate recovers the ball. In that situation it seems that the steal stat becomes subjective.

[UssjTrunks]

Jose would average 20 APG then.

[TorontoSF]

that's kind of dumb.

a foul is a stoppage in play - and the free throws are the beginning of a new play.

plus, if player b makes only one free throw then the assist doesn't have the same value it would if he had made both - so do you create .5 assists?

also, if player a wants to be credited with an assist he should hope player b at least makes an attempt at continuation.

to sum up, this is kind of dumb.

You get an assist on a 3 point field goal don't you, its not counted for more is it? So assist value does not make any sense.

I would much rather see them go Euro style where assists mean much more, but i don't see that happening so this is a legit argument. If a guy can get an assist off a routine pass to an 3 point shooter then why not a pass to a guy getting fouled.

[TorontoSF]

Jose would average 20 APG then.

No no he wouldn't. Everyone assists would go up, but if anything wouldn't jose's go up less? Cause his passes don't lead to buckets close to the basket which are the more likely buckets to get fouled on. So again no

[TorontoSF]

I think that a pass leading to a made free throw should result in a 0.5 assist. They have 0.5 sacks in football, basketball should also adapt it. At the very least they should be recording it (for future use) so they can figure out how often it occurs.

I guess there are some grey areas though. If a team is in the penalty do you reward the player who passed the ball to a teammate who was than fouled (non-shooting) but sinks both free throws?

I think the NBA should incorporate a lot of additional stats. Tipping a rebound to a teammate should be a stat or included in rebounds (maybe 0.5 for the player who tips the ball and for the player who recovers the ball).

Also, in some situations a player strips the ball from another player, but their teammate recovers the ball. In that situation it seems that the steal stat becomes subjective.

Yea i agree, there are grey areas. But there are already grey areas in the assist rule right now, its basically up for interpretation to the score keeper

[mcleex]

Fouling.

The voider of assists. Calderon's arch-nemesis and kryptonite.

[Charlie_S]

I'd rather see the guy who draws an offensive foul get credited with a steal.

[beno]

remove the zone while you're at it.