AR a center in the future

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God... Nellie is getting worse and worse.

[gsw510]

i called this last year.

;x

Nellie hates Andris...always has.

[turk3d]

AR to become Nellie's Amare (since he can't get the real one)?

[Sid the Squid]

.He gets absolutely destroyed in practice right now...I think that fact gets ignored on these message boards.

[gsw510]

dont even knwo why im asking...

but how in the hell do YOU know hes getting "destroyed" in practice.

+ you are the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen in my life...its like you switch a train to ride every few days...all in order to never have a "bad take".

and you might be "right"...but the times you are right you go so far in the other direction sometimes (flip flopping) just so you wont be wrong.

very entertaining though



PS. nice edit BTW.

[Mylie10]

How about we let Randolph play a full game...let's say 35 minutes. His numbers are decent overall for the minutes he's got.

His back is better now than when you watched your "Practice".

He needs minutes not mind games. Nellie is effing with him again.

I don't mind Nellie coaching the kid and telling him the things he does wrong, that's coaching. What I can't stand is that the guys who play Randolph's minutes make as many if not more bonehead mistakes out there.

The consistancy isn't there and the kid is thinking more than playing. Last year he settled into great bsketball play once he stopped having to look over his shoulder every time he did something wrong.

Some of us were right. Nellie only stuck with AR last year because he had to. Nellie lucked into the kid by having his hands tied because of injuries. Now it's gonna take a Mikki Moore injury for Randolph to get more time?..........Please.

The kid hasn't forgotten how to play. He's just being mind effed again.

Once this kis has the chance....He's gonna bolt his a$$ outta Golden State.

[Sleepy51]

Nellie is just spitballing first of all. He's going to try lots of stuff with AR before all is said and done. AR is a very young player, and while some of this is going to frustrate him and fans, it's all good basketball experience that will make him a more competent player in whatever role down the road.

For now, AR played his best basketball last year at the 5. It's the simplest position in our offense and it suits his native defensive and rebounding ability keeping him closer to the rim. He is not going to be a 3. He never was. He looked good as a 3 against teams that were looking past us at the end of a lotto season. The physical skillset (agility, handle, speed) is there, but he doesn't see the game at full speed yet, and by the time he does, his body is going to mandate playing him in the paint anyway. I get the idea of trying to protect a young body from the beating of playing a power position (a la Dirk & KG) but trying to turn him into a 3 has been a bad path because he is not as sophisticated a player as they were at his age.

Right now, coming into game 4 of the season, playing a forward position in Nellie's system makes him think too much. What AR needs is to get some run without having to think to get his confidence and aggression back up again. He will probably end up back at the 4 once he settles down.

If I'm coaching,. I use AR as the backup 5 for a few weeks to settle him down. I start Ronny at the 4 once he's healthy and rotate 3 bigs at the two power positions. Nellie will of course pervert this with heavy doses of smallball, because he is a pederast, but I'm totally fine with AR coming off the bench while he gets his mojo back.

Everyone who is pissed about AR not playing as much, or dumping on his effort is seriously underestimating the pounding he took in those Laker games even before Baron jumped on his face. The FREAKING WORLD CHAMPIONS mind f ed AR more than Nellie ever could. He was worn down physically and emotionally and he needs to recharge. The simple assignments are going to be the best way for him to reload. He's still going to be fantastic. I'm not bothered by this at all.

[Sid the Squid]

dont even knwo why im asking...

but how in the hell do YOU know hes getting "destroyed" in practice.

+ you are the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen in my life...its like you switch a train to ride every few days...all in order to never have a "bad take".

and you might be "right"...but the times you are right you go so far in the other direction sometimes (flip flopping) just so you wont be wrong.

very entertaining though



PS. nice edit BTW.

how am I flip flopping here? Because I'm pointing out a fact instead of blindly ignoring it because I love AR's talent?

[Sid the Squid]

Randolph should be a 5, at least for now...

Nellie's not basketball stupid..You people sure are though.

I was once lost like you..I believed I knew better than our old fart coach..But now I'm found.

[Sid the Squid]

there was nothing wrong with his back at that practice 10...He was leaping , dunking and running all over the place..Zero sign of a physical problem..He just got completely used and abused on both ends..

I know you all are going to hate on me for pointing out the truth.

[Mylie10]

Nellie is just spitballing first of all. He's going to try lots of stuff with AR before all is said and done. AR is a very young player, and while some of this is going to frustrate him and fans, it's all good basketball experience that will make him a more competent player in whatever role down the road.

For now, AR played his best basketball last year at the 5. It's the simplest position in our offense and it suits his native defensive and rebounding ability keeping him closer to the rim. He is not going to be a 3. He never was. He looked good as a 3 against teams that were looking past us at the end of a lotto season. The physical skillset (agility, handle, speed) is there, but he doesn't see the game at full speed yet, and by the time he does, his body is going to mandate playing him in the paint anyway. I get the idea of trying to protect a young body from the beating of playing a power position (a la Dirk & KG) but trying to turn him into a 3 has been a bad path because he is not as sophisticated a player as they were at his age.

Right now, coming into game 4 of the season, playing a forward position in Nellie's system makes him think too much. What AR needs is to get some run without having to think to get his confidence and aggression back up again. He will probably end up back at the 4 once he settles down.

If I'm coaching,. I use AR as the backup 5 for a few weeks to settle him down. I start Ronny at the 4 once he's healthy and rotate 3 bigs at the two power positions. Nellie will of course pervert this with heavy doses of smallball, because he is a pederast, but I'm totally fine with AR coming off the bench while he gets his mojo back.

Everyone who is pissed about AR not playing as much, or dumping on his effort is seriously underestimating the pounding he took in those Laker games even before Baron jumped on his face. The FREAKING WORLD CHAMPIONS mind f ed AR more than Nellie ever could. He was worn down physically and emotionally and he needs to recharge. The simple assignments are going to be the best way for him to reload. He's still going to be fantastic. I'm not bothered by this at all.

Sleepy I hear you...I really do....but.

His back is ok. Based on him already upset at what's going on with his minutes, the back is fine now. He was the first one out of the locker-room and didn't want to speak to the media. Before the game he stated what you said about this making him a better person and player, blah, blah, blah.

He's pissed.

I also think he played his best minutes at center last year and would be ok with that if he was the guy brought in to back-up Andris last night. Eff protecting him from Gasol. One of AR's best performances last year came while guarding Yao Ming. For every power move Gasol makes, AR can out athlete him.

And I also agree with your idea of Turiaf being the starting 4, but that's not gonna happen in AR's favor either. Nellie will go back to Jackson and Maggette if not a little Azu sprinkled in there as well. Hell they finally won and played pretty good and the smallball was good.

But this bodes bad for AR. He's getting mind effed and plastered to the bench.

The kid and our future need's to be on the floor. Win or lose he's the future along with Steph, Monta, and Morrow. Randolph is being left behind to a certain extent in favor of ugly veterans.

Randolph will have a breakout game at some point and he'll force the old guys hand. I can't wait for that. But based on the actual minutes he's got, he's rebounded well and he protects the rim. We need that more than we need small PF's and their inflated offensive numbers.

[gsw510]

I'm not going to get in a back and forth...where you try to insult my basketball intelligence.

but your pre edit post had you basically "giving up" on AR as a Foward w/skills and him adding 20+ pounds and being only useful as a C.

I understand what your saying, and I agree with you to a certain extent.

However the things you type, arent FACT...they are opinion.

You saw AR get handled in the open practice, therefore you surmised that he must be getting handled in practice all the time...if you arent there to see that, thats not a fact...

I agree with you that obviously something must be going on in practice, because hes on a very short leash right now (as he should be), even though it appears unfair to us that the vets we have do just as much/worse...

anywho...

[Sid the Squid]

I'm not going to get in a back and forth...where you try to insult my basketball intelligence.

...

I called myself basketball stupid too..I just happened to have the light bulb turn on ..You guys just take longer to come around to the fact that Nellie knows exactly what he's doing..There's not a list of NBA stars out there over the last few decades that were benched for long stretches by Don Nelson..Nellie will play you if you can play (see Curry-Spree-Mitch-Timmy-Webber-Biedrins-Ellis ect)

[turk3d]

We're the only team I know who when we think we have a potential franchise player we sit him because we "don't want him to make those silly rookie mistakes" and with that "disenfranchise" or potential franchise player.

Dirk in his first year shot only 40.5%, averaged 3.4 reb and 1.6 tos in just 20 mpg and 8.2 pts. He also shot a whopping 20.6% from 3 pt range but yet started half of the game he played that year in spite of scoring just 8.2 points. But he was a 6'10 outside shooting big man instead of a rebouning shot blocking one.

Kevin Durant shot 43%, 28.8% from 3 and turned the ball over 2.9 times per game. That didn't stop Seattle from giving him almost 35 mpg. AR was better than both of them in the minutes he played last year. That was their 1st year. This is his 2nd. There's no way you can justify in my mind not playing a guy with that much talent on a losing team in favor of guys like Maggette. There's just no way I can accept that. Guys like Randolph and Wright have just lost many minutes of valuable time which only means that it will take longer for them to get rid of their rookie kinks.

If you say you're protecting Randolph by playing him @ Center (where you have even bigger and stronger player you must go up against) instead of PF, I say lol @ that. He should be getting all the minutes he can handle (unless injured) @ whatever position he's best at right now. Nellie playing him @ Center just potentially makes smallball more effective, which is the real reason why he's doing it. Guys like Randolph need to be getting as much experience as they can handle and the sooner the better as far his development goes.

[Mylie10]

I'n also really tired of Nelson talking about rebounding!

Shut up Nellie!!!

You can't throw a non rebounding team out there and then cry about rebounding. Say what you want about Randolph and missed assignments, but his rebounding is great and his help D is the best on the team.

Mind games FTL.