Are we risking the future?

[J3x]

Watching the game last night, it dawned on me, for every game we keep stephan, maggette, ellis, nellie, cohan, rowell, and riley we are risking our future. how did i come about this? easy. the fast break that was a 2 on 1 with a trailer monta gets to the lane with curry looks at him, throws it back to jack and back to ellis for a dunk. this is the ultimate "hey youre not my boy, imma get mine and not help you out to take my job" sort of thing. the right play was to curry for a layup but ellis' selfishness lead him to throw it to his boy stackjack and get a dunk. maggette has just stunk it up all season so far. morrow is not getting the shots he wants because hes getting looked off or just the "vets" are jacking up shots to get theirs. curry is a deer lost in the headlights sometimes and hes getting dirty looks from his teammates. randolph is with wright and both of them could be gone because of the mistreatment they have recieved from the coach. beidrins wants to become a great center but nellie keeps him lean so he can "run". whats the good when your future lineup all wants out because they are getting no love from the "vets" and coach? buike is gone becasue he hates the org as well as watson. both were good rotation players at best but they were good bang for their buck. what we are left with is a undersized overpaid 2 guard, a broken 3 who is playing as a 4 and a captain that wants off the ship he wanted to command.

IMO we just dump nellie now (screw his record) put in ellie for interm then find a coach in the offseason, just cut maggette (swallow his contract, no one is going to want him after what he is now), trade jack for anything and if ou can package ellis with jack for something. we need to start the rebuilding now. we have curry to run the 1 whos amazing, morrow who is getting better every game, randolph who can be a dominating 4 given the confidence and beidrins who can be a double double machine. this is the start of a contending team, we just need to dump out the trash ala the blazers pre brandon roy era.

we need a GM who cares, a VP who doesnt get in the way and an owner that actually WANTS the team. we have the best fans in the NBA, why cant we get a team that parallels that?

/rant.

[Mylie10]

We're risking our future by effing with our futures mind.

Let the future learn on the floor. He'll settle down once you lengthen the rope some.

Last night he didn't take a stupid jumper. He got yanked after locking up with Gasol. He first forced a deflection and then Gasol got the ball back and they called the foul. Nellie rose up and yanked him.

Nothing against Mikki Moore, but Randolph needs the floor time. This idea that you can't teach a kid while leaving him in there is lame. Alot of guys will listen and learn at a faster rate when you coach them in the game rather than pulling them and making them watch with warm-ups on.

If this year goes on like the way it's going right now, he's gonna want outta here at his first opportunity.

[Sid the Squid]

Randolph was late on a rotation that led to a slam dunk...It happens to him all the time in practice..He needs focus in on the fundamentals of the game..The little things..I now see what Nellie's been talking about since day 1 ......Nellie's not going to hand this kid undeserved PT..Randolph's going to have to work for it. When AR's better than Mikki Moore, he'll get more playing time at the 5

[Sid the Squid]

Did the OP acutally criticize Nellie for not giving our D leaguers more run?

LOL This board has officially gone over the edge with the Nellie scapegoating.

[Mylie10]

Randolph was late on a rotation that led to a slam dunk...It happens to him all the time in practice..He needs focus in on the fundamentals of the game..The little things..I now see what Nellie's been talking about since day 1 ......Nellie's not going to hand this kid undeserved PT..Randolph's going to have to work for it. When AR's better than Mikki Moore, he'll get more playing time at the 5

Mikki Kurz is not better than Randolph.

Randolph will be back to stud status once he doesn't have to look over his shoulder non stop.

Sid get out of Nellie's butt.

[turk3d]

Randolph was late on a rotation that led to a slam dunk...It happens to him all the time in practice..He needs focus in on the fundamentals of the game..The little things..I now see what Nellie's been talking about since day 1 ......Nellie's not going to hand this kid undeserved PT..Randolph's going to have to work for it. When AR's better than Mikki Moore, he'll get more playing time at the 5

It happens to almost all our players most of the time during the actual games. So it happened to him once. That's no excuse to bench him. If it were, then both Jack and Maggette would be benched for the next century. Weak Nellie apologetics FTL.

[Sid the Squid]

Randolph was late on a rotation that led to a slam dunk...It happens to him all the time in practice..He needs focus in on the fundamentals of the game..The little things..I now see what Nellie's been talking about since day 1 ......Nellie's not going to hand this kid undeserved PT..Randolph's going to have to work for it. When AR's better than Mikki Moore, he'll get more playing time at the 5

Mikki Kurz is not better than Randolph.

Randolph will be back to stud status once he doesn't have to look over his shoulder non stop.

Sid get out of Nellie's butt.

I'm not afraid at all of taking the unpopular stance of backing coach Nelson..Nellie's track record is incredible..If Randolph can play hes' going to play..I'd love for it to happen yesterday.

[Mylie10]

Nellie's track record is exactly what we feared in the off season.

Nellie says all the right stuff. And then he goes back to exactly what he alwasy does.

And to Nellie's credit he got his first win last night. With the smalls.

Randolph can play...He's being messed with.

[Souvlaki]

Randolph can play...He's being messed with.

Randolph has played poorly since his first game as a Warrior. Your argument holds no water and your excuse making is laughable.

[J3x]

Did the OP acutally criticize Nellie for not giving our D leaguers more run?

LOL This board has officially gone over the edge with the Nellie scapegoating.

i didnt criticize nellie for not playing the dleaguers more, what i was criticizing was his approach to how he handles his players. im not saying they are great players or they need to play more but they have mishandled decent roll players such as buike and watson and this shows other FA that they should not bother with golden state because of everything is so erradic. who cares if we have a billion dollars to spend, no one will come to Golden State becasue of the chaos that surrounds. we need stability, and right now the FO and Nellie are everything that is not stability.

[bill curley II]

What future?

[toffee1]

What future?

Bright future, even this season we are going to the playoff. Two things to help you learn - read feltbot's and then listen to KNBR noon. Do that for a few days and you will see that shining trophy in the near horizon. Life will be good.

[KR4]

Essentially, AR wasn't rotating, and wasn't going after rebounds. He's in there for defense and rebounding at this point in his career. Scoring is gravy. So the way he was treated last night I thought was fair.

Also, Monta had a great drive on teh fast break that drove the defenders into the lane, all the while planning to pass, and did pass, to Morrow on the wing for a three. That was a redeeming play in my mind considering Monta's selfishness.

I trust Nellie at this point. He wants to win. I'm sure he wants to trade Jax or Maggs or both. To get any value for them they need good stats and good pt. The more they play now, the faster we can trade the IMO.

Start panicking in January or near the trade deadline when no one's taking the Jax/Maggs bait.

As for the 'I got my homeboy's back', I see that, and it scares me a little...but hopefully Jax will be gone ASAP. Monta is the best player on the team right now...and I'm not stoked on that...but its the cold hard truth.

[Apres Moi]

Randolph was late on a rotation that led to a slam dunk...It happens to him all the time in practice..He needs focus in on the fundamentals of the game..The little things..I now see what Nellie's been talking about since day 1 ......Nellie's not going to hand this kid undeserved PT..Randolph's going to have to work for it. When AR's better than Mikki Moore, he'll get more playing time at the 5

Mikki Kurz is not better than Randolph.

Randolph will be back to stud status once he doesn't have to look over his shoulder non stop.

Sid get out of Nellie's butt.

Mikki is a lot better than Kurz. He's a suitable back-up. Neither Mikke nor Kurz is REALLY a threat to Randolph. Mikke, at least, is serviceable.

Also, Randolph is virtually ALL untapped potential and only a surface scratch of realized potential. He needs to be coached, in the most expansive sense of the word. Coached along. We don't want him to end up like a Tyrus Thomas or, god forbid, Stromile Swift. Not that Randolph will, and not that those guys are/were terrible players... They just weren't developed properly. I guess Ty Thomas could still turn into something special, but at this point it's hard to see that ALL that potential is going to turn into anything more than a very solid role player, at the best... never a super star, at this point. Randolph has superstar potential... but he has to brought there.

If he's just given free reign, he learns bad habits... relies only on his athleticism (a la Ty Thomas, Stro, etc.) and never becomes the player he could be.

[KR4]

AB played great in the 4th...that was my 2nd favorite part of the game last night.