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What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby Bassman on Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:31 pm

Attention all: Larry Brown is not happy with Diaw. Gee, join my club Larry. I never felt Diaw was the answer here at the 4. So, what should we do relative to this critical position?

Trades? Not sure who we could get based on the way Boris is playing. Only the Warriors and Knicks can best appreciate Boris at his best. For some other team he's a 6th man. Warriors have Jackson and (maybe) Turiaf but no clarity on their willingness to deal Ronnie. The Knicks?? Short of David Lee no options there (and Lee is not an option).

Shame we either could not or were not able to trade for Boozer. He devistated San Antonio last night with 27 pts and 14 rebounds.

So, any ideas? I'm sure some will say keep Diaw, and that's the most likely scenario for a variety of reasons.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby thruthefire on Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:56 pm

Don't you need a problem to have a solution? I don't think Diaw being our starting power forward needs fixing. If we have a chance to upgrade him, then sure, I would trade him. But right now, I think getting Flip back, Raja healthy, and teaching Tyson Chandler how to play basketball are our primary objectives. DEFINITELY ahead of finding a solution to power forward on the "to do list".
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby Battery on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:02 pm

thruthefire wrote:Don't you have to have a problem to have a solution? I don't think Diaw being our starting power forward needs fixing. If we have a chance to upgrade him, then sure, I would trade him. But right now, I think getting Flip back, Raja healthy, and teaching Tyson Chandler how to play basketball are our primary tasks. DEFINITELY ahead of finding a solution to power forward on the "to do list".



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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby thruthefire on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:06 pm

Battery, please. I said all along we should trade Diaw for Boozer, but you were adamant that we didn't need to do that. Now you're throwing Diaw under the bus? Just like you're doing with Ray? And you were talking about moving Wallace not too long ago. Gosh.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby dmutombo321 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:22 pm

Make everyone on our roster available for trades provided we get value in the form of draft picks and/or young prospects in return. In doing so, try to include players like Diop, Rad in packages in attempt to rid ourselves of their ecumbering contracts.

Play any young prospects we acquire along with players like UPS, Ajinca, Hendo, DJ heavy minutes in an effort to develop them. We'd likely post a win total in the low 20s.

We'll have our own selection in the top 10 and will likely be able to land a Davis, Favors or Brackins to groom as the future of our 4 spot. If we land another selection through one of the deals, we may also be able to add a scoring wing like an evan turner.

We'd probably post around 30 wins the following season, get one final top-10 lotto pick (before we'd forfit it the following year when it loses ots protection from the ajinca deal), and have cap room to sign a young FA with Chandler's salary coming off the books.

In a nutshell, this is the general approach I would take. Dealing Diaw for a player like Boozer would certainly make us better and possibly even get us that 8th playoff shot. But its only an expensive short-term bandaid so to speak and is not conducive to building a team that could eventually go deep into the post season, or even win a first round series for that matter.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby Battery on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:24 pm

thruthefire wrote:Battery, please. I said all along we should trade Diaw for Boozer, but you were adamant that we didn't need to do that. Now you're throwing Diaw under the bus? Just like you're doing with Ray? And you were talking about moving Wallace not too long ago. Gosh.



When did I say I wouldn't trade Diaw for Boozer??? Please do not put words in my mouth. The only thing I ever said about Boozer is that I think he's a bit of a puzzle. I never said I wouldn't bring him here.

And how could you not throw Diaw under the bus??? HE threw himself under the bus when he showed up to camp looking like Eddy Curry's twin!!! Why are YOU giving a pass to Diaw??? Also Ray has been terrible and we have a young point guard on the roster that needs to PLAY!

Yes I wanted to move Wallace but that was before Diaw came to camp out of shape. Things change, thats why you need a flexible roster to be able to make the necessary changes going forward.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby doc.end on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:31 pm

thruthefire wrote:Don't you need a problem to have a solution? I

Golden words. But really some people don't.
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klemen4 wrote:Hmmm...talent wise really bad trade but Larry brown game wise excellent trade...
we have to trust.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby doc.end on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:33 pm

What Is Our PF Solution?

Solutuion to this thread is - WTF! Not again. Pass.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby Rich4114 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:34 pm

Personally, I've always been a fan of Wallace for Boozer. Diaw can play any position but ideally 2/3/4. We could easily swing him to the 3 and trade Wallace for Boozer. I know everyone is attached to Wallace, but we would be a better rebounding team with more scoring. Don't we sort of need that?
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby SWEDD523 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:36 pm

Mutombo has it right. Follow his path to enlightenment (or in this case, a great young team)
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby doc.end on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:36 pm

No.

Among other things we would apparently lose a lot of rebounding. Precisely 4rpg. .)
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby SWEDD523 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:37 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Personally, I've always been a fan of Wallace for Boozer. Diaw can play any position but ideally 2/3/4. We could easily swing him to the 3 and trade Wallace for Boozer. I know everyone is attached to Wallace, but we would be a better rebounding team with more scoring. Don't we sort of need that?

Scoring? Yes. Rebounding? No.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby doc.end on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:37 pm

You slow.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby Bassman on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:49 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Make everyone on our roster available for trades provided we get value in the form of draft picks and/or young prospects in return. In doing so, try to include players like Diop, Rad in packages in attempt to rid ourselves of their ecumbering contracts.

Play any young prospects we acquire along with players like UPS, Ajinca, Hendo, DJ heavy minutes in an effort to develop them. We'd likely post a win total in the low 20s.

We'll have our own selection in the top 10 and will likely be able to land a Davis, Favors or Brackins to groom as the future of our 4 spot. If we land another selection through one of the deals, we may also be able to add a scoring wing like an evan turner.

We'd probably post around 30 wins the following season, get one final top-10 lotto pick (before we'd forfit it the following year when it loses ots protection from the ajinca deal), and have cap room to sign a young FA with Chandler's salary coming off the books.

In a nutshell, this is the general approach I would take. Dealing Diaw for a player like Boozer would certainly make us better and possibly even get us that 8th playoff shot. But its only an expensive short-term bandaid so to speak and is not conducive to building a team that could eventually go deep into the post season, or even win a first round series for that matter.


As usual dmutombo, we are like minded on the course for our future. The scenario you describe would be difficult to pull off, especially with Larry Brown as coach. Larry would have to show up one day, say "I quit...I'm gonna hang out in France for a while..." to get that kind of radical use of young players. But I'd like to see them get more minutes, get groomed and educated, while we make trades for the future, accepting a poorer record to get decent draft position for one more shot at success. The Boozer scenario was part of the "win now" option, if we were to adopt that. Essentially our off-season was status quo, so forget mediocre efforts. Hard to see how we could deal the junk (Diop, Vlad) without gettng junk in return. Crash & Diaw have big contracts, so odds are only 1 can get dealt. I'd love to deal Diaw to a team that has a glut of 4's and a young one we could start (Hickson would be great). Bell w/Diop later for a prime SG would be sweet.
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Re: What Is Our PF Solution?

Postby GWallace3 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:57 pm

Wrong. Diaw can't play "any" position. He's too fat and too slow to play the 2/3.

and for the 346426246426234th time. NO to Wallace for Boozer, regarding our current roster, which consists of a bunch of pussies who can't rebound or play with effort and energy.
As long as LB is our coach, we won't trade Wallace, quote me on that.
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