Mbah a Moute's Value

[raferfenix]

I've been thinking a lot about the Prince's value----both to the Bucks and on the trade market, and think it's worth further discussion.

Value to the Bucks

Our team's defense has been an absolute joke for a long time, and he could quickly become an elite defender. Skiles and Hammond alike clearly privilege defense as well.

However, his lack of shooting especially makes him a poor fit playing alongside Bogut. He also is not the kind of athlete we desperately need on the wing to run with Jennings, making me think he will not be our long term starter at SF (unless we trade Bogut...)

Basically, I see us valuing him extremely highly, yet also being conscious of the fact that he might not be a long term fixture. He could definitely be a supersub for us for years to come, but a defender off the bench is the kind of player you can trade for a bigger piece to the puzzle.

Value on the open market

The Bucks are certainly not alone amongst teams attempting to instill the defensive mindset you need to win in the playoffs. Luc's youth and cheap contract for two more years (after which he'll be a restricted free agent) make him particularly valuable for a rebuilding team looking to instill the kind of long term winning qualities he embodies.

However, I think his real value could come in combination with our other ending contracts for a bigger player. The economic climate and 2010 free agent frenzy will make for many more lopsided trades, and the Bucks are well positioned to take advantage of it considering all the money we have coming off the books in 2011.

Basically, I can see a package of Mbah a Moute and some combination of Alexander/Thomas/Delfino/Warrick/Ridnour/Elson being worth an absolute ton on the open market. Then again, considering how highly we value him, it's very hard to know how much we're considering this kind of move.


So how do you see Mbah a Moute's value, and do you see any scenarios this season where we would receive enough to make it worth trading him?

[trwi7]

Basically, I can see a package of Mbah a Moute and some combination of Alexander/Thomas/Delfino/Warrick/Ridnour/Elson being worth an absolute ton on the open market.

I doubt it. LRMAM is a role player, nothing more and those expirings are only valuable if we're willing to take a longer contract.

[skones]

He's a role player, nothing more, nothing less. I don't think he's really a starter in this league, but there are exceptions for a guy like him in ideal situations. He's a guy a lot of teams would like to have, but don't necessarily NEED. I'd move him in a second if it meant getting something of value back.

[shaolin34]

I think Mbah a Moute is very valuable, both for his on-court abilities and because of what we will pay him for the next two years. I would certainly be open to trading him, but as you mentioned the Bucks have been without a great defender for a long, long time, and he certainly could become one. I guess I value his defense more than the offense of a player like Gay or Beasley, but that's not to say I wouldn't trade him for a player of this caliber.

To be honest, I rather trade Bogut than LRMAM because of the same reasons: on court-ability plus current contract. When it does come time to extend LRMAM he will command significantly less than what Bogut is being paid (will another team even offer him the full MLE?), which is another reason why he'd be essential to build with. Even if his role with the Bucks will forever be Super-Sub Defensive Stopper, I'd be very reluctant to part with him unless someone made an offer that blew me away.

[drew881]

Better to keep him another year and see if his value goes up...

[Newz]

Every team needs a lock down defender if they want to compete for a Championship.

That being said, Mbah a Moute does not have a ton of value around the league. He could probably get us another role player who does something just as well, but has flaws elsewhere.

He's worth keeping, not worth trading.

[adamcz]

He doesn't have the type of value that could land us a lotto pick or anything like that. If you want to know what type of players GMs value, just look at player salaries around the league. Lock down defenders who aren't factors on offense don't get paid. If GMs valued them, they'd have to outbid each other, and their salaries would end up looking more like those of Villanueva, Arenas, and Gordon.

[Nebula1]

He's our Millsap type guy at SF. Hustle, grit, solid D. I wouldn't trade him. I think he'll start hitting the mid jumper more and more as well.

[paulpressey25]

How bad do you guys want Redd's contract out? I think LRMAM could take Redd out with him to Cleveland. LRMAM can play against KG, Hedo, Vince....you name it.

[Nebula1]

How bad do you guys want Redd's contract out? I think LRMAM could take Redd out with him to Cleveland. LRMAM can play against KG, Hedo, Vince....you name it.

We're almost done with Redd. I wouldn't use Luc to move Redd. Redd is good and his knee will decide his value, not the inclusion of Mbah a Moute.

[MouteKicksBoute]

How bad do you guys want Redd's contract out? I think LRMAM could take Redd out with him to Cleveland. LRMAM can play against KG, Hedo, Vince....you name it.

We're almost done with Redd. I wouldn't use Luc to move Redd. Redd is good and his knee will decide his value, not the inclusion of Mbah a Moute.

+1

[AussieBuck]

If he learns to hit the corner three then he's a star who will never be paid more than role player money.

[MouteKicksBoute]

Plus, if Mbah Moute gets traded, my screen name becomes irrelevant . I hope he's a lifer

[xTitan]

How bad do you guys want Redd's contract out? I think LRMAM could take Redd out with him to Cleveland. LRMAM can play against KG, Hedo, Vince....you name it.

What about Deng?? I didn't see much of the second half the other night but I am guessing Luc had to be on Deng when he was getting off.

[EastSideBucksFan]

How bad do you guys want Redd's contract out? I think LRMAM could take Redd out with him to Cleveland. LRMAM can play against KG, Hedo, Vince....you name it.

What about Deng?? I didn't see much of the second half the other night but I am guessing Luc had to be on Deng when he was getting off.

You are guessing wrong

It was chuckfino who had no idea what a box out is on deng for extended minutes in the 2nd half