Perimeter rotation has to improve

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Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby raptor21_85 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:37 pm

I think tonight was our best game, since Raps cared the perimeter not allowing them to make treys easily.

The rotation tonight was very good, hopefully we'll see more of this
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Jose_Matador on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:40 pm

That is because Jay Triano didn't use the paint collapse scheme today, whenever they face a team like the Magic who has Howard inside the don't come out to guard shooters, today we played Okafor and West who are above average bigs at best, therefore we could leave them and come out and guard the 3.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Throwback24 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:41 pm

Tomorrow will be a different tale, the Mavs will light us up from beyond the arc and you will all be raging.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby UssjTrunks on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:42 pm

Jose_Matador wrote:That is because Jay Triano didn't use the paint collapse scheme today, whenever they face a team like the Magic who has Howard inside the don't come out to guard shooters, today we played Okafor and West who are above average bigs at best, therefore we could leave them and come out and guard the 3.


I think our strategy against Orlando sucks. I'm comfortable with just Bosh or Bargs or Rasho on him, and the occasional helper. We don't need the entire team guarding him. I'd rather Howard go off for 30 points than the scrubs on the team score 60.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby execoftheyear on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:43 pm

Jose_Matador wrote:That is because Jay Triano didn't use the paint collapse scheme today, whenever they face a team like the Magic who has Howard inside the don't come out to guard shooters, today we played Okafor and West who are above average bigs at best, therefore we could leave them and come out and guard the 3.


a team like the Magic...that's probably the only team we'll be using that strategy on because of Howard.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Jose_Matador on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:43 pm

UssjTrunks wrote:
Jose_Matador wrote:That is because Jay Triano didn't use the paint collapse scheme today, whenever they face a team like the Magic who has Howard inside the don't come out to guard shooters, today we played Okafor and West who are above average bigs at best, therefore we could leave them and come out and guard the 3.


I think our strategy against Orlando sucks. I'm comfortable with just Bosh or Bargs or Rasho on him, and the occasional helper. We don't need the entire team guarding him. I'd rather Howard go off for 30 points than the scrubs on the teams score 60.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby bakafool on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:44 pm

UssjTrunks wrote:
Jose_Matador wrote:That is because Jay Triano didn't use the paint collapse scheme today, whenever they face a team like the Magic who has Howard inside the don't come out to guard shooters, today we played Okafor and West who are above average bigs at best, therefore we could leave them and come out and guard the 3.


I think our strategy against Orlando sucks. I'm comfortable with just Bosh or Bargs or Rasho on him, and the occasional helper. We don't need the entire team guarding him. I'd rather Howard go off for 30 points than the scrubs on the team score 60.

Yeah I'd rather Dwight create his own offense. Push him out as far as possible then play him straight up with occasional help.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby chsh22 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:49 pm

I agree. Our rotations could still use some work. In the 2nd there was a stretch on several possessions where people were just lost on D and it led to a few wide open shots for the Hornets.

I think we give it some time and that will just become second nature.

Tomorrow in Dallas, I would like to see Bargnani guarding Dirk the entire night 1on1 -- no help.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby vini_vidi_vici on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:53 pm

I loved that we full court press more the last two games. And I agree with the sentiment that were not colapsing the paint as much. I noticed we would on penetration, but not so much on post ups. And I think that was the key to starting the defense. If our bigs play mediocre defense we could be in trouble though.

I acrually thought the rotations were just okay, not great. There still was a decent amount of open shots, its just NO didnt hit them. But one thing along with the bigs D, was how about our PnR defense? I thought it was outstanding, we trapped, went under on the penetrators, and bumped almost every PG off the line. Bargs in peticuliar played it great. And I actually saw effort on fighting through the screen.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Jose_Matador on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:53 pm

If I see them doubling Dirk tomorrow I'm gonna be pissed, Dirk is a great offensive player but not a player that commands a double team, and the Mav's have shooters all over the place so things could get ugly if they start lighting it up. Jason Kidd has been known to be a Raptor killer(averaged triple-double in playoffs with 40+% from 3 point range.)
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby [SJJ] on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:59 pm

Throwback24 wrote:Tomorrow will be a different tale, the Mavs will light us up from beyond the arc and you will all be raging.

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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Undefeated on Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:07 pm

I'm not too worried with our rotations right now, they seem to be crisp the last two games. And I highly doubt there will be a significant drop-off against better the shooting teams. Once you understand the system, then you'll do fine. More importantly, I was very impress with the Bargnani's ability to defend the pick-and-roll tonight and it was against one of the best PnR player too.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Throwback24 on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:47 pm

Throwback24 wrote:Tomorrow will be a different tale, the Mavs will light us up from beyond the arc and you will all be raging.


No need for another thread to be created, we can discuss the Raptors defensive schemes here.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Undefeated on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:50 pm

Meh. Our team did a decent job of defending the PnR last night and I don't even know the hell happened tonight. Bargnani let Dirk wide open on many screens to hit the open J which I know he can do better. Bargnani playing Dirk on single coverage was pretty solid nonetheless. And our rotations are pretty inconsistent.
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Re: Perimeter rotation has to improve

Postby Volcano on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:55 pm

Dallas is a jump shooting team..we weren't closing out hard on them or body-ing them up. Bosh's defense was especially poor today and our team looked sluggish in general.
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