Brewers 2024 Discussion - Woodruff Back on 2 Year Deal

[coolhandluke121]

I understand the theory of trading Burnes, Adames, and/or Woodruff now to maximize their value, but in reality you can often still get great value at the trade deadline. Many teams like to see how the first half of the season plays out before making moves like that, and injuries or unexpected success/struggles can add more teams to the bidding. Plus there are so many teams making the postseason these days that you could argue that the main concern for many teams is just to have the guy available for that, regardless of whether he plays the full regular season for you. Burnes, for example, would be able to give you potentially two full postseasons before free agency, regardless of whether you get him for two full regular seasons or just 1.5. You can easily get a bidding war among teams that already pretty much know they're going to make the playoffs and are preparing to face each other; you don't necessarily need teams that are just trying to make the playoffs to jump in the bidding as well.

I would be totally happy with letting Stearns go to Houston for a little compensation. It's been a good run but it can't last forever. Pretty hard to maintain it as long as we have in a small market.

[LittleRooster]

Let's hire Click.

Would love him to assist Arnold and be called assistant gm or gm, but I doubt he’d come here to be 2nd in command. Though, I think both worked together in Tampa


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[M-C-G]

I understand the theory of trading Burnes, Adames, and/or Woodruff now to maximize their value, but in reality you can often still get great value at the trade deadline. Many teams like to see how the first half of the season plays out before making moves like that, and injuries or unexpected success/struggles can add more teams to the bidding. Plus there are so many teams making the postseason these days that you could argue that the main concern for many teams is just to have the guy available for that, regardless of whether he plays the full regular season for you. Burnes, for example, would be able to give you potentially two full postseasons before free agency, regardless of whether you get him for two full regular seasons or just 1.5. You can easily get a bidding war among teams that already pretty much know they're going to make the playoffs and are preparing to face each other; you don't necessarily need teams that are just trying to make the playoffs to jump in the bidding as well.

I would be totally happy with letting Stearns go to Houston for a little compensation. It's been a good run but it can't last forever. Pretty hard to maintain it as long as we have in a small market.

Burnes could also get hurt and destroy his trade value too. If he gets an injury that requires TJ he’d be out like a year meaning he may not even be tradable at that point.


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[coolhandluke121]

I understand the theory of trading Burnes, Adames, and/or Woodruff now to maximize their value, but in reality you can often still get great value at the trade deadline.

Burnes could also get hurt and destroy his trade value too. If he gets an injury that requires TJ he’d be out like a year meaning he may not even be tradable at that point.

Yeah, I thought of that too. But I think a 2021-level rotation (same principal players, after all) and 2022-level offense (also the same principal players), with just an average bullpen behind Devin, wins the Central easily, so I wouldn't blame them for letting the first few months play out - especially since an elite top-heavy rotation is even more valuable in the playoffs than the regular season.

Of course, they could have a 2021-level offense and 2022-level rotation, but I don't think it's far-fetched to think they could put it all together next year.

[M-C-G]

I understand the theory of trading Burnes, Adames, and/or Woodruff now to maximize their value, but in reality you can often still get great value at the trade deadline.

Burnes could also get hurt and destroy his trade value too. If he gets an injury that requires TJ he’d be out like a year meaning he may not even be tradable at that point.

Yeah, I thought of that too. But I think a 2021-level rotation (same principal players, after all) and 2022-level offense (also the same principal players), with just an average bullpen behind Devin, wins the Central easily, so I wouldn't blame them for letting the first few months play out - especially since an elite top-heavy rotation is even more valuable in the playoffs than the regular season.

Of course, they could have a 2021-level offense and 2022-level rotation, but I don't think it's far-fetched to think they could put it all together next year.

I hear you, I just think maybe you move Burnes and see what you can do with the rest and if it isn’t good, then sell. I just feel like he is so much more valuable than anyone else, is likely to make so much money that we can’t afford after this contract, maybe it is in your best interest to do it now


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[coolhandluke121]

I hear you, I just think maybe you move Burnes and see what you can do with the rest and if it isn’t good, then sell. I just feel like he is so much more valuable than anyone else, is likely to make so much money that we can’t afford after this contract, maybe it is in your best interest to do it now

It all comes down to the offers. Trust me, I'll be the first one dancing on the grave of the 2023 season if they get a huge haul for any or all of their 2024 free agents. But if it's not a near-godfather offer, I don't think there should be any rush to tear down what will still probably be the 2023 NL Central favorite (IMO) just by standing pat.

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Please, yes.

[MikeIsGood]

I like Wong ok, but if we can get anything of value for a 32 year old and free-up room to play and make determinations on some of our young guys, then heck yeah.

[Kerb Hohl]

The Mariners have plenty of reason to be optimistic about their long-term future, but they seem to also be going all-in on 2023. Can't wait out the Astros forever, I get that. I think we could turn this team into a good one in the near future by moves like this and maybe flipping Burnes/Woodruff if the offers are right.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Happy trials to Suter, hope he thrives the rest of his career.

I guess maybe they are going full young rebuild otherwise this and the Boxberger decisions seem odd.

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[tski1972]

Suter was the ultimate teammate, but his pitching has been on a decline over the last couple of seasons.

[neiLz]

Happy trials to Suter, hope he thrives the rest of his career.

I guess maybe they are going full young rebuild otherwise this and the Boxberger decisions seem odd.

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Noone claimed boxberger at his salary so brewers could possibly bring him back. Suter was a mop up duty/extra inning arm so I could see cheapo wanted to cut salary.

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Matt Arnold gonna let the kids eat this year