RS 23/24 - Mavs vs Celtics (Mond., 830PMEST)

[joesha1698]

One thing about Kyrie that a lot of his distractors avoid discussing is the fact that there are NO ex teammates that ever really come out and trash Kyrie. You know why? Because alot of the narratives about him are media and fan boy generated. What actually happens in the locker room and determines winning is team based. Show me a teammate that says a 6'2 guy that plays as good as Kyrie is the reason they didnt win and I'm gonna show you a scrub and a bad organization. Kyrie biggest knock is his injuries and a little off the court drama that was made bigger than it was by the media.

[joesha1698]

I think it was Kyrie fault if the ozone hole is bigger every year... Damn.

Please stop crying about Kyrie failing in his last 7 years with 3 teams. Go seek counseling.
Failing with Tatum-Brown-Horford, then failing with Harden-Durant, and now Luka is not a good look.
All those stars are looking better after leaving Kyrie. All those teams and their fanbases are happier too.

Did those guys fail with Kyrie too? I'm just wondering. Those guys get a pass for losing with someone as good as Kyrie. What has any of these guys won since playing with Kyrie? Nothing. So, thats proof that it takes a TEAM to win championships. It took the Celtics 5-6 years since Kyrie left to build a legit contender. Kyrie was there on a 2 year deal. Blaming 1 player for NOT winning in Boston is like blaming Kyrie if he doesn't win his first 2 years in Dallas while totally ignoring the context of the season, the roster, and who we actually were as a TEAM. It also lets everyone else off the hook - what about Luka? Why wouldnt it be seen as more of a failure by Luka if they dont win a championship together? He's considered the better player. Thats OG Wizard's mindset. So, if we go by his logic, everyone should blame Luka and without regard for the front office decisions, his teammates performance, etc.

Blaming one guy for the success of a team w/o looking at the context of the team or the build - is just convenient because of recent media narratives.

[joesha1698]

The same media narratives blamed Kobe most of his career until he won 2 rings without Shaq. Once Kyrie wins another ring (hopefully with Luka) all his critics can take several seats.

[Mavrelous]

I miss RC passionate outbursts, Kidd could've used one yesterday

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[41Dirk41]

I think it was Kyrie fault if the ozone hole is bigger every year... Damn.

Please stop crying about Kyrie failing in his last 7 years with 3 teams. Go seek counseling.
Failing with Tatum-Brown-Horford, then failing with Harden-Durant, and now Luka is not a good look.
All those stars are looking better after leaving Kyrie. All those teams and their fanbases are happier too.

Did those guys fail with Kyrie too? I'm just wondering. Those guys get a pass for losing with someone as good as Kyrie. What has any of these guys won since playing with Kyrie? Nothing. So, thats proof that it takes a TEAM to win championships. It took the Celtics 5-6 years since Kyrie left to build a legit contender. Kyrie was there on a 2 year deal. Blaming 1 player for NOT winning in Boston is like blaming Kyrie if he doesn't win his first 2 years in Dallas while totally ignoring the context of the season, the roster, and who we actually were as a TEAM. It also lets everyone else off the hook - what about Luka? Why wouldnt it be seen as more of a failure by Luka if they dont win a championship together? He's considered the better player. Thats OG Wizard's mindset. So, if we go by his logic, everyone should blame Luka and without regard for the front office decisions, his teammates performance, etc.

Blaming one guy for the success of a team w/o looking at the context of the team or the build - is just convenient because of recent media narratives.

No former Kyrie team won the ring, his speech is completely nonsense.
He's just trying to find some leverage because Irving is playing well

And about fanbase, why doesn't he go and ask the Lakers and Bucks fanbase what they think of Kidd? or maybe in this case it doesn't apply?

Definitely a hater. No more. Pathetic.

[ozwizard8]

Please stop crying about Kyrie failing in his last 7 years with 3 teams. Go seek counseling.
Failing with Tatum-Brown-Horford, then failing with Harden-Durant, and now Luka is not a good look.
All those stars are looking better after leaving Kyrie. All those teams and their fanbases are happier too.

Did those guys fail with Kyrie too? I'm just wondering. Those guys get a pass for losing with someone as good as Kyrie. What has any of these guys won since playing with Kyrie? Nothing. So, thats proof that it takes a TEAM to win championships. It took the Celtics 5-6 years since Kyrie left to build a legit contender. Kyrie was there on a 2 year deal. Blaming 1 player for NOT winning in Boston is like blaming Kyrie if he doesn't win his first 2 years in Dallas while totally ignoring the context of the season, the roster, and who we actually were as a TEAM. It also lets everyone else off the hook - what about Luka? Why wouldnt it be seen as more of a failure by Luka if they dont win a championship together? He's considered the better player. Thats OG Wizard's mindset. So, if we go by his logic, everyone should blame Luka and without regard for the front office decisions, his teammates performance, etc.

Blaming one guy for the success of a team w/o looking at the context of the team or the build - is just convenient because of recent media narratives.

No former Kyrie team won the ring, his speech is completely nonsense.
He's just trying to find some leverage because Irving is playing well

And about fanbase, why doesn't he go and ask the Lakers and Bucks fanbase what they think of Kidd? or maybe in this case it doesn't apply?

Definitely a hater. No more. Pathetic.

Stop sucking kyrie kiddo you're so young for that ****.

your arguments are so pathetic. Celtics Nets did not win a title is not a plus for Kyrie. kyrie damaged the teams he went. So it takes time to repair the damage. fan bases of those teams are so happy to ship his ass off.

* after kyrie f'in up all the Nets chances to win, they went to rebuilding route. and its been only a year, of course they wouldn't be able to win title in one year after getting rid of kyr*e

* Celtics lost a lot of assets due to Kyrie **** up. They are still a contender though. They're doing better in playoffs without Kyrie.
They made ECF and NBA finals in last two years. Much better than what Kyrie did for them or Nets.
Celtics made ECF when Kyrie was injured too.

Total failure in last 7 years, 3 teams.
Failed with Tatum-Brown-Horford, Harden-Durant, Luka. There is a trend there.

[Archx]

I'm still trying to figure out how did Kyrie fail with Luka? Zach Lowe just made a report on ESPN that Mavs with both Kyrie and Luka have 120 ORTG per 100 poss which would equal 3rd best offense in the league.

So again, how exactly did they fail?

[41Dirk41]

Did those guys fail with Kyrie too? I'm just wondering. Those guys get a pass for losing with someone as good as Kyrie. What has any of these guys won since playing with Kyrie? Nothing. So, thats proof that it takes a TEAM to win championships. It took the Celtics 5-6 years since Kyrie left to build a legit contender. Kyrie was there on a 2 year deal. Blaming 1 player for NOT winning in Boston is like blaming Kyrie if he doesn't win his first 2 years in Dallas while totally ignoring the context of the season, the roster, and who we actually were as a TEAM. It also lets everyone else off the hook - what about Luka? Why wouldnt it be seen as more of a failure by Luka if they dont win a championship together? He's considered the better player. Thats OG Wizard's mindset. So, if we go by his logic, everyone should blame Luka and without regard for the front office decisions, his teammates performance, etc.

Blaming one guy for the success of a team w/o looking at the context of the team or the build - is just convenient because of recent media narratives.

No former Kyrie team won the ring, his speech is completely nonsense.
He's just trying to find some leverage because Irving is playing well

And about fanbase, why doesn't he go and ask the Lakers and Bucks fanbase what they think of Kidd? or maybe in this case it doesn't apply?

Definitely a hater. No more. Pathetic.

Stop sucking kyrie kiddo you're so young for that ****.

your arguments are so pathetic. Celtics Nets did not win a title is not a plus for Kyrie. kyrie damaged the teams he went. So it takes time to repair the damage. fan bases of those teams are so happy to ship his ass off.

* after kyrie f'in up all the Nets chances to win, they went to rebuilding route. and its been only a year, of course they wouldn't be able to win title in one year after getting rid of kyr*e

* Celtics lost a lot of assets due to Kyrie **** up. They are still a contender though. They're doing better in playoffs without Kyrie.
They made ECF and NBA finals in last two years. Much better than what Kyrie did for them or Nets.
Celtics made ECF when Kyrie was injured too.

Total failure in last 7 years, 3 teams.
Failed with Tatum-Brown-Horford, Harden-Durant, Luka. There is a trend there.

You are tough Champ, now go outside your bedroom and see the real world.
Pornography is ruining your already limited brain.

I'm sorry if Kyrie **** your mom, **** happens... He is a good daddy at the end of the days. Deal with it.