RS 23/24 - Mavs vs Cavs (Wed., 830PMEST)

[Archx]

Terrible game, just inexcusable to lose to a team down its 3 best players.

But what do u expect when Kyrie is constantly out and Green forever sucks

Come on man, Exum and Green were the reason why Mavs built up a 10 pt lead lol... You can't seriously watch this game and give Green of all people the blame.

[Maverick41]

Pathetic loss. Other then Curry, the rest of the team couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives. And Luka's 4th quarter was just abysmal. Cavs defense deserves credit but Luka can't be that bad in the 4th. We had a 9 point lead until Luka came back and either turned it over or missed bad shot after bad shot. Got to be better then that.

[daoneandonly]

Terrible game, just inexcusable to lose to a team down its 3 best players.

But what do u expect when Kyrie is constantly out and Green forever sucks

Come on man, Exum and Green were the reason why Mavs built up a 10 pt lead lol... You can't seriously watch this game and give Green of all people the blame.

He shot 1 for 4. I know he's set the bar low, but come on, he stinks. The team is better without him

[ejs78]

Lively was wide open under the hoop on the last play. Why was he even in the game? They didn't need a 2 , he's not shooting a 3, and that let his man Allen double Luka into a bad possession. Just another great end of game look out of a TO.

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This, why is Lively on the floor? It's an easy double Luka call. Why the EF was Lively in and not another 3 point shooter?

This just screams naivety from Kidd.

If there was like 15 seconds left I could see it, but 6 no way. If another player other than Lively was out there it would have likely ended up a Luka long step back 3 which is also bad....not this bad.

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[Bob8]

I would like to know, what kind of injury Kyrie has? 10 games, and counting, looks a lot.

[Archx]

Terrible game, just inexcusable to lose to a team down its 3 best players.

But what do u expect when Kyrie is constantly out and Green forever sucks

Come on man, Exum and Green were the reason why Mavs built up a 10 pt lead lol... You can't seriously watch this game and give Green of all people the blame.

He shot 1 for 4. I know he's set the bar low, but come on, he stinks. The team is better without him

I'm just saying, for this game, he did well. He was Mavs game high +12 with Exum +2 while everyone was negative. (Not counting Powell with 5 minutes only).

But it was evident him and Exum had good chemistry and had the team going. They did all the little things stats don't show. Then Kidd simply did what he does best, he threw the game.

THJ shooting 38% from the field this month on a huge volume is by far the bigger problem and also Grant being non existent. These guys were suppose to have a huge role on the team but they simply stink.

I didn't even know they play vs Wolves tomorrow, i won't even watch becauase it's a certified 30pt loss.

[Forbes]

I would like to know, what kind of injury Kyrie has? 10 games, and counting, looks a lot.

A little heel injury. He’s soft though, not surprised he’s out for this long.

I’m just waiting to see what coach we can get and how we can improve at the deadline.

[Bob8]

Come on man, Exum and Green were the reason why Mavs built up a 10 pt lead lol... You can't seriously watch this game and give Green of all people the blame.

He shot 1 for 4. I know he's set the bar low, but come on, he stinks. The team is better without him

I'm just saying, for this game, he did well. He was Mavs game high +12 with Exum +2 while everyone was negative. (Not counting Powell with 5 minutes only).

But it was evident him and Exum had good chemistry and had the team going. They did all the little things stats don't show. Then Kidd simply did what he does best, he threw the game.

THJ shooting 38% from the field this month on a huge volume is by far the bigger problem and also Grant being non existent. These guys were suppose to have a huge role on the team but they simply stink.

I didn't even know they play vs Wolves tomorrow, i won't even watch becauase it's a certified 30pt loss.

+/- is pretty generous for Josh, he was for sure not far the best Mavs player.

[daoneandonly]

Kidd needs to go. Afterwards, his protégé Kyrie Irving for the best package we can get. Exum can serve as the secondary facilitator for the Starting lineup, trade Kyrie for someone who can consistently score, but actually plays through injuries

[Maverick41]

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Here's Kidd deflecting blame publicly as per usual. This time at a 19 year rookie.

Kidd needs to STFU and take ownership. Like others mentioned here, what in the world are you doing putting Lively in that last possession down 3. That last possession is on YOU Kidd.

[ejs78]

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Here's Kidd deflecting blame publicly as per usual. This time at a 19 year rookie.

Kidd needs to STFU and take ownership. Like others mentioned here, what in the world are you doing putting Lively in that last possession down 3. That last possession is on YOU Kidd.

Worst part is no matter what others think he's not going anywhere unless the team completely falls off a cliff. If injuries are the reason he would still likely keep his job. The only people who should get blamed for Kidd being a coach are all the players around the league who stick up for him. Yes it was the odd bubble year but do the Lakers win a title with Kidd?

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[Mavrelous]

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Here's Kidd deflecting blame publicly as per usual. This time at a 19 year rookie.

Kidd needs to STFU and take ownership. Like others mentioned here, what in the world are you doing putting Lively in that last possession down 3. That last possession is on YOU Kidd.

It took one loss for all the ugliness of last year to resurface, a good slap on the face and come back to reality loss, this team still has major problem at the coaching position, and Luka isn't there everygame tosave the team.
Team went scoreless from 6:06 mark till 1 minute mark and the 19 old rookie is to blame...

[joesha1698]

You guys here criticizing Kyrie for being injured are kinda pathetic. With that being said, this Cleveland team was missing its two best players and we were up big, so there's no scapegoat here. Here is the reality, Luka plays like James Harden 2.0, this style of play has been done before. It's great when the 3's are falling and the long shots by Luka are going down. However, once the law of avgs kick in - teams can come back and beat the Mavs because of this style of play. Just like Nash and Dirk never won until Dallas became a more complete team / well rounded - the same can be said for Luka and the Mavs. Stop looking for scapegoats and accept that the furthest Luka ever went in the playoffs was because of the defense he had around him and the emergence of Brunson.

The James Harden style of play will get Luka big numbers and when things are going great - his teammates will hit the 3 at a high clip. All of that is dandy until the law of averages show up. The bottom line is, the Mavs have to become a more complete team. I.E. what happened when Dirk finally won..... Matrix, Kidd, Terry, etc. You need balance.

The best teams beat you because they play a balance and complete game. Think Spurs. Lakers with Kobe and Shaq. You can go down the line. You got to play both ends. You got to respect the defensive end as much as the offensive end. Also, everyone has to stop jocking the GS warriors. They have two of the best shooters of alltime and when they won their rings - they had excellent defenders and balance on that team. Not to mention a KD who is one of the best 6'10 over shooters / scorers of alltime.

What the Mavs need to :
1. Luka has to limit the amount of step back 3's he takes and the amount they take in general. This is great when their going on but this is also the reason teams their suppose to beat get back into the game. Luka's step backs represent a fun style but if you think about it - when he misses it or his teammates - it speeds up the game and leaves more time on the clock for the opposition. James Harden and the Rockets ran into this problem all the time. Its not the team that hits the most 3's or gets the most up in the shortest amount of time that wins - its the team that executes on both ends throughout the game. Luka needs to become a more complete player and learn how to win a game deliberately without putting up 50pts to do it. That's not sustainable.

2. The Mavs needs to add more layers to their offense and take a more deliberate approach. My vote is for keeping Kyrie healthy and using him as a catch and shoot player ala Rip Hamilton and Allen Iverson. Keep him healthy and out of the paint as much as possible. This also adds another layer of complexity to the Mavs offense. You have Luka creating in the pick and roll and you have the defense concerned with Kyrie's movement. This is how you take the offense to another level and become more deliberate on offense....you make the other team work and use energy - instead of taking 3's with 18 seconds of the clock - which is pretty much rest for the opposition when the Mavs start coming back down to earth.

3. The Mavs must play defense (and have attention to defense) as much as they do offense. And it must start with Luka. Like James Harden,Luka hides behind big numbers in a system designed to his skill set - but his game still has a lot of holes. And the Mavs are really a representation of their best player. All of these guys around Luka were put here to maximize his skill set. However, if Luka wants to take the next step he is going to have to sacrifice (as well as this team) some of those fancy numbers for those things that do not show up in the stat sheet. Like boxing out, attention to detail on defense, being deliberate on offense and stop taking shots with 18 seconds left on the shot, getting the best shot (that forces the defense to work hard) and not just the Luka shot.

Thats all folks!

[joesha1698]

I would like to know, what kind of injury Kyrie has? 10 games, and counting, looks a lot.

A little heel injury. He’s soft though, not surprised he’s out for this long.

I’m just waiting to see what coach we can get and how we can improve at the deadline.

A 6'2-6'3 guy that plays like he's 6'6 and one of the best finishers in NBA history is soft? Hit one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and came back down 3-1 against a team with the best record in NBA history. It wasnt just Lebron. Soft guys don't do that.

Kyrie aint soft. The problem is the Mavs play a soft brand of basketball and live and die by the 3 point shot - which is settling / the opposite of being aggressive. Plus, our best player (Luka) probably cries more than any great offensive skill player Ive ever seen. So, I don't get where you can call Kyrie soft and totally ignore the Mavs style of play or Luka's questionable effort on defense and constant whining for calls. Watch the final 5 minutes of tonight's game and you'll literally see Luka and some of the other Mavs escort the Cavs to the basket for easy points.

[Mavrelous]

I would like to know, what kind of injury Kyrie has? 10 games, and counting, looks a lot.

A little heel injury. He’s soft though, not surprised he’s out for this long.

I’m just waiting to see what coach we can get and how we can improve at the deadline.

A 6'2-6'3 guy that plays like he's 6'6 and one of the best finishers in NBA history is soft? Hit one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and came back down 3-1 against a team with the best record in NBA history. It wasnt just Lebron. Soft guys don't do that.

Kyrie aint soft. The problem is the Mavs play a soft brand of basketball and live and die by the 3 point shot - which is settling / the opposite of being aggressive. Plus, our best player (Luka) probably cries more than any great offensive skill player Ive ever seen. So, I don't get where you can call Kyrie soft and totally ignore the Mavs style of play or Luka's questionable effort on defense and constant whining for calls. Watch the final 5 minutes of tonight's game and you'll literally see Luka and some of the other Mavs escort the Cavs to the basket for easy points.

Yeah, the guy who cries is logging 40MPG and leaving it all on the court, he has a bad game every 10 games, Kyrie has been missing for 9 games now, 13 games in total this season, is posting his lowest scoring on worst efficiency in 9 years.
Team's problem isn't the guy who's been out there all season and had maybe 4 bad games in the 30 he's played.

[Mavrelous]

Brutal loss standings wise, with another loss today against the Wolves team will in play in territory again.
The west doesn't forgive bad losses this year, you just can't afford that.
A win in this game and the MEM games would've placed the team comfortabely at 4th...

[Maverick41]

A 6'2-6'3 guy that plays like he's 6'6 and one of the best finishers in NBA history is soft? Hit one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and came back down 3-1 against a team with the best record in NBA history. It wasnt just Lebron. Soft guys don't do that.

Kyrie is tough on the court but he's soft off the court. You really have to tip toe around what you say with him which means he gets pretty much free reign to babysit his injuries whenever he wants. Be honest. If Luka and Kyrie had the exact same injury and scouting report says "questionable to play". Who do you have more faith would actually tough it out and play with it? Think we all know the answer is Luka.

[JWillTheFreak]

Bad loss for the mavs they let cavs team hang around and they were better down the stretch and got the dub, yeah luka had two bad passes and missed the two mid range shots but nothing was going for the mavs anyway plus he sat to long in the 4th.

Also williams and green should be benched for the 4th quarter.

Lively needs to be used more like he was in the suns game... mavs need some easy buckets.

[Bob8]

I would like to know, what kind of injury Kyrie has? 10 games, and counting, looks a lot.

A little heel injury. He’s soft though, not surprised he’s out for this long.

I’m just waiting to see what coach we can get and how we can improve at the deadline.

A 6'2-6'3 guy that plays like he's 6'6 and one of the best finishers in NBA history is soft? Hit one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and came back down 3-1 against a team with the best record in NBA history. It wasnt just Lebron. Soft guys don't do that.

Kyrie aint soft. The problem is the Mavs play a soft brand of basketball and live and die by the 3 point shot - which is settling / the opposite of being aggressive. Plus, our best player (Luka) probably cries more than any great offensive skill player Ive ever seen. So, I don't get where you can call Kyrie soft and totally ignore the Mavs style of play or Luka's questionable effort on defense and constant whining for calls. Watch the final 5 minutes of tonight's game and you'll literally see Luka and some of the other Mavs escort the Cavs to the basket for easy points.

I would very like to see strong Kyrie dominating, but that's a bit difficult if you're out 10 games in a row with minor injury.

Yes Luka had bad final minutes, but he is the only reason for Mavs surviving brutal December.

[Teffer10]

-21 on boards....when will this FO realize we have a massive frontcourt problem?