The Matt Schaub continuation thread

[HTown34s]

Once again I feel compelled to give another lecture concerning the Texans and their quote & quote BAD MANAGEMENT. There are several misconceptions propagated by the likes of ESPN and other

[Coxtradaumus]

So whats up with Domanick Williams?
I heard they released him, is his career finished or what?
Dude's only what? 26?

[J.Kim]

While I agree with most of your points, I have to pick at this one:

The second reason is this: Kubiak played as a backup to John Elway and was a Quarterbacks Coach for Denver. He knows QBs very well, and if he wasn't satisfied with Carr's mechanics, there was simply no way he would be able to live with the --poor mechanics of Young's throwing motion. Kubiak wants a traditional QB to lead this offense. Runningbacks are for rushing, and the system in place all but insures we have a productive running game.

Especially the "poor mechanics" part. Everyone knows he has an irregular throwing motion, but to say that it's a poor throwing motion is a bit of an oversight on your part.

His release point may be low in relative to other Quarterbacks, but he is 6'5", and his release point is around 2" above his head, meaning that his release point is around 6'7". He is around 2-3" above the prototypical Quarterback height, and hence, his height makes up for his lower than average release point.

As for his actual throwing motion itself, it may look awkward, but his set point to release point with the football, is pretty quick, and I'd say quicker than a lot of Quarterbacks in the league. You may look at his entire throwing motion and say that its slow, but that is mostly because of his follow through. Compared to other throwing motions that I've seen, his follow through is longer than average, hence giving the appearance of a long throwing motion, when in reality, his set point to release point is pretty quick.

[treiz]

Domanick Williams

Besides that I agree with everything else....

[HTown34s]

While I agree with most of your points, I have to pick at this one:

The second reason is this: Kubiak played as a backup to John Elway and was a Quarterbacks Coach for Denver. He knows QBs very well, and if he wasn't satisfied with Carr's mechanics, there was simply no way he would be able to live with the --poor mechanics of Young's throwing motion. Kubiak wants a traditional QB to lead this offense. Runningbacks are for rushing, and the system in place all but insures we have a productive running game.

Especially the "poor mechanics" part. Everyone knows he has an irregular throwing motion, but to say that it's a poor throwing motion is a bit of an oversight on your part.

His release point may be low in relative to other Quarterbacks, but he is 6'5", and his release point is around 2" above his head, meaning that his release point is around 6'7". He is around 2-3" above the prototypical Quarterback height, and hence, his height makes up for his lower than average release point.

As for his actual throwing motion itself, it may look awkward, but his set point to release point with the football, is pretty quick, and I'd say quicker than a lot of Quarterbacks in the league. You may look at his entire throwing motion and say that its slow, but that is mostly because of his follow through. Compared to other throwing motions that I've seen, his follow through is longer than average, hence giving the appearance of a long throwing motion, when in reality, his set point to release point is pretty quick.

I beg to differ, I think his release point is more or less parallel to his neck and you can

[NO-KG-AI]

BTW look at Reggie's last 8 games, if you want to get a feel for how good he will be next year.

He started off horrible, his last 8 are a true measure of how he has developed.

As for Vince's throwing motion, I think were me and very few others who weren't worried about it.

He gets the ball out really quick, and the ball is about at eye level.

I have never seen it cause any problems for him.

BTW playing at 6'2 and under isn't a bad thing anyway ask Drew Brees.

Vince can move around, so finding throwing lanes, or throwing right over the top isn't really a problem.

[HTown34s]

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I beg to differ, I think his release point is more or less parallel to his neck and you can

[HTown34s]

Well i can't pull up vids at work, but i only guess'timated'. I still think with a more standard release he could be that much more efficient.

[UrbanLegendMD]

When did Davis change his name?

[Fatty]

Good post agree with a lot of what you said.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

Mario Williams was the right choice.

Fairly new franchise should start with Defense. Mario Williams was a freak like Julious Peppers.

So 6 sacks for a rookie first overall is bad rihgt? well lets start wiht would youlike to tell me who even helpde him on that line. To get six sack the way he had t0o would be incredibly hard.

Once they are ready WIlliams will be a beast.

Regie Bush was a game changer yes but he is not a great running back just mroe a dual threat. Micheal Vick and Regie Bush are simialar. Would revolutionize the position but is worse at the position they are playign tehn what there other skill is.

Vince young would have made to be a great pcik but he would not have been a good QB in Houston becasue of tehre offensive line or what they believe is an offensive line.

[NO-KG-AI]

Bush's last 8 games....

74 rushes 358 yards, 4.83 YPC 6 TD's

42 catches 430 YPC 10.2 YPC 2 TD's

not bad for a 21 year old back up running back, who everyone was calling a bust after his first 8 games.....

he had a difficult transition, and he broke through it.

If you watch a Saints game, most of those catches are basically running plays......

[J.Kim]

Mario Williams was the right choice.

Fairly new franchise should start with Defense. Mario Williams was a freak like Julious Peppers.

So 6 sacks for a rookie first overall is bad rihgt? well lets start wiht would youlike to tell me who even helpde him on that line. To get six sack the way he had t0o would be incredibly hard.

Once they are ready WIlliams will be a beast.

Regie Bush was a game changer yes but he is not a great running back just mroe a dual threat. Micheal Vick and Regie Bush are simialar. Would revolutionize the position but is worse at the position they are playign tehn what there other skill is.

Vince young would have made to be a great pcik but he would not have been a good QB in Houston becasue of tehre offensive line or what they believe is an offensive line.

Actually, 6 Sacks for a Rookie DE is pretty good. Considering it takes most defensive linement 2-3 years to adjust and to play at a peak level, and considering that 10+ Sacks for a rookie DE is uncommon, Mario Williams put up pretty good Sack #s.

[treiz]

Vince Young actually has a very good release, when people say it's around 6"2, it actually varies between his forehead and his top lip depending on how deep he has to throw the ball....he also has a very nice zip for a side-arm.....overall I'm very impressed by Vince Young's rookie career as he's shown that he can look through his progressions, has nice accuracy, zip, and he's very patient.

[NO-KG-AI]

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Actually, 6 Sacks for a Rookie DE is pretty good. Considering it takes most defensive linement 2-3 years to adjust and to play at a peak level, and considering that 10+ Sacks for a rookie DE is uncommon, Mario Williams put up pretty good Sack #s.

I'm not sold on that, its ok but certainly I would expect more.

I'll go by our recent D-End picks as rookies.

Darren Howard- 11 sacks, 2nd round pick
Charles Grant- late first round(26th?) 7 sacks
Will Smith- Late First round(19th?) 7.5 sacks as a backup

Again, Mario's numbers weren't bad, but for a 1st pick, in 1 of the best drafts you will see, I would expect more, but their are a lot of other factors like how bad the rest of the line sucks.

[HTown34s]

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I'm not sold on that, its ok but certainly I would expect more.

I'll go by our recent D-End picks as rookies.

Darren Howard- 11 sacks, 2nd round pick
Charles Grant- late first round(26th?) 7 sacks
Will Smith- Late First round(19th?) 7.5 sacks as a backup

Again, Mario's numbers weren't bad, but for a 1st pick, in 1 of the best drafts you will see, I would expect more, but their are a lot of other factors like how bad the rest of the line sucks.

don't forget that he played half the season on 1 good foot.

[NO-KG-AI]

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don't forget that he played half the season on 1 good foot.

Good point, was that hidden from the media like Reggie's Achilles heal problem??

I think they downplayed their injuries so they could bash them(media loves a good bashin'....)

[Fatty]

didnt Mark Anderson have 10.5 sacks? Sacks arent a good way to judge ends anyway

[The_Child_Prodigy]

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Actually, 6 Sacks for a Rookie DE is pretty good. Considering it takes most defensive linement 2-3 years to adjust and to play at a peak level, and considering that 10+ Sacks for a rookie DE is uncommon, Mario Williams put up pretty good Sack #s.

I was being sarcastic....

[J.Kim]

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I was being sarcastic....

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