What do you think this organization does in the summer.

[Old_Blue]

This off-season is going to be about regaining some degree of fiscal sanity. By rejecting a reported offer of 2 years/$48 million, Klay has inadvertently opened up the opportunity for the Dubs to dip below not just the 2nd luxury tax apron but also to get out of paying any luxury tax next season. CP3 will be allowed to walk. Then, if Klay is re-signed for something like 3 years/$50 million, the Dubs can reset and get out of the repeater tax. If Klay walks, then the Dubs can use the full non taxpayer MLE to sign his replacement. Lacob will be responding to the NBA's draconian new luxury tax rules by pulling off the table the giant pile of cash the Dubs have been tossing into the shared luxury tax pot.

So they're gonna be able to get out of the luxury tax even by re-signing Klay to around 17m a year?

Steph 56m
Wiggins 27m
Draymond 24m
GP2 9m
Looney 8m
Kuminga 8m
Moody 6m
Podz 4m
TJD 2m
Santos 2m

Around 146m total.

It would be close. But, yes, the Dubs could slide under the reported $172 million luxury tax threshold for next season. There's too much benefit for them not to strongly consider doing so.

[killmongrel]

This off-season is going to be about regaining some degree of fiscal sanity. By rejecting a reported offer of 2 years/$48 million, Klay has inadvertently opened up the opportunity for the Dubs to dip below not just the 2nd luxury tax apron but also to get out of paying any luxury tax next season. CP3 will be allowed to walk. Then, if Klay is re-signed for something like 3 years/$50 million, the Dubs can reset and get out of the repeater tax. If Klay walks, then the Dubs can use the full non taxpayer MLE to sign his replacement. Lacob will be responding to the NBA's draconian new luxury tax rules by pulling off the table the giant pile of cash the Dubs have been tossing into the shared luxury tax pot.

So they're gonna be able to get out of the luxury tax even by re-signing Klay to around 17m a year?

Steph 56m
Wiggins 27m
Draymond 24m
GP2 9m
Looney 8m
Kuminga 8m
Moody 6m
Podz 4m
TJD 2m
Santos 2m

Around 146m total.

It would be close. But, yes, the Dubs could slide under the reported $172 million luxury tax threshold for next season. There's too much benefit for them not to strongly consider doing so.

Cool. Thanks.

That's what I think they're going to do if they don't see a trade that they're in love with for a player in the summer. They now have the incentive to let Klay walk if he doesn't take that kind of deal. They should be able to fill out the roster with vet minimums, correct?

Aside from that, they would also have the Non Tax Payer Mid Level Exception and Bi Annual?

[Old_Blue]

So they're gonna be able to get out of the luxury tax even by re-signing Klay to around 17m a year?

Steph 56m
Wiggins 27m
Draymond 24m
GP2 9m
Looney 8m
Kuminga 8m
Moody 6m
Podz 4m
TJD 2m
Santos 2m

Around 146m total.

It would be close. But, yes, the Dubs could slide under the reported $172 million luxury tax threshold for next season. There's too much benefit for them not to strongly consider doing so.

Cool. Thanks.

That's what I think they're going to do if they don't see a trade that they're in love with for a player in the summer. They now have the incentive to let Klay walk if he doesn't take that kind of deal. They should be able to fill out the roster with vet minimums, correct?

Aside from that, they would also have the Non Tax Payer Mid Level Exception and Bi Annual?

If Klay stays, then yes you fill out the remaining roster spots with minimum deals to slide under the cap. If Klay walks, then the team would have the non tax payer MLE available to them. As for the Bi Annual Exception, I can't even recall the last time the Dubs used it. Presumably, that too would also be available to them. The entire off-season is going to come down to whether or not the team still wants Klay and whether or not he wants a fresh start.

[DevinVassell]

This off-season is going to be about regaining some degree of fiscal sanity. By rejecting a reported offer of 2 years/$48 million, Klay has inadvertently opened up the opportunity for the Dubs to dip below not just the 2nd luxury tax apron but also to get out of paying any luxury tax next season. CP3 will be allowed to walk. Then, if Klay is re-signed for something like 3 years/$50 million, the Dubs can reset and get out of the repeater tax. If Klay walks, then the Dubs can use the full non taxpayer MLE to sign his replacement. Lacob will be responding to the NBA's draconian new luxury tax rules by pulling off the table the giant pile of cash the Dubs have been tossing into the shared luxury tax pot.

So they're gonna be able to get out of the luxury tax even by re-signing Klay to around 17m a year?

Steph 56m
Wiggins 27m
Draymond 24m
GP2 9m
Looney 8m
Kuminga 8m
Moody 6m
Podz 4m
TJD 2m
Santos 2m

Around 146m total.

I still can't believe Steph actually offered to take a discount on that massive contract and the f/o said... nah, we're good.

[bicycle]

They'll sign Klay to about $12m per year, let CP3 walk, and use the MLE on somebody large-ish. Maybe just retain Saric with it, I dunno.

Then we'll hope that year over year improvement from the young guys makes up for whatever decline Steph and Draymond show, and that's the roster. Hopefully Loon and Wiggins have good offseasons in terms of health and fitness.

[Old_Blue]

They'll sign Klay to about $12m per year, let CP3 walk, and use the MLE on somebody large-ish. Maybe just retain Saric with it, I dunno.

Then we'll hope that year over year improvement from the young guys makes up for whatever decline Steph and Draymond show, and that's the roster. Hopefully Loon and Wiggins have good offseasons in terms of health and fitness.

Some other team is going to offer Klay $20 million per year. I'm not saying that will be a wise decision. I just think that's a distinct possibility. Passing on a shot at an extra $25 million spread over 3 years might be difficult for a guy not prone to passing up shots.

[EvanZ]

This off-season is going to be about regaining some degree of fiscal sanity. By rejecting a reported offer of 2 years/$48 million, Klay has inadvertently opened up the opportunity for the Dubs to dip below not just the 2nd luxury tax apron but also to get out of paying any luxury tax next season. CP3 will be allowed to walk. Then, if Klay is re-signed for something like 3 years/$50 million, the Dubs can reset and get out of the repeater tax. If Klay walks, then the Dubs can use the full non taxpayer MLE to sign his replacement. Lacob will be responding to the NBA's draconian new luxury tax rules by pulling off the table the giant pile of cash the Dubs have been tossing into the shared luxury tax pot.

So they're gonna be able to get out of the luxury tax even by re-signing Klay to around 17m a year?

Steph 56m
Wiggins 27m
Draymond 24m
GP2 9m
Looney 8m
Kuminga 8m
Moody 6m
Podz 4m
TJD 2m
Santos 2m

Around 146m total.

Yes the apron is like $170+

[CDM_Stats]

They'll sign Klay to about $12m per year, let CP3 walk, and use the MLE on somebody large-ish. Maybe just retain Saric with it, I dunno.

Then we'll hope that year over year improvement from the young guys makes up for whatever decline Steph and Draymond show, and that's the roster. Hopefully Loon and Wiggins have good offseasons in terms of health and fitness.

Super optimistic. I mean I hope thats the offer, but I doubt it. Its an opportunity for a clean break, but I'm really doubting they take it

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

They let Chris Paul walk. Podz becomes the back up point guard. We draft a point guard in the second round and park that point guard in Santa Cruz.

We sign a cheap 7 footer who can block shots but otherwise is a bad player. This guy becomes our 4th string center. We either keep Saric or replace him with another 3 point shooting center that is bad at defense.

They let Klay test free agency but end up resigning Klay for a pay cut.

That’s all.

Your biggest off-season hope is the fourth string center. You never go off brand do you.

Salary cap kills us.

I may be wrong but I don’t think we can turn Chris Paul Moody and draft picks into DeJounte Murray this summer. I think Chris Paul as a tradeable expiring contract ended at the trade deadline. I could be wrong about that.

I don’t want to sign Klay for discount and then trade him. I don’t want to trade Wiggins. I don’t want to trade kuminga Curry or Draymond.
So I have nothing to trade but draft picks and Moody.
Moody plus draft picks can not get me an established good player because Moody’s salary is too low.

I will trade Moody and draft picks for the version of Moody that half of our board thinks Moody is. What young underpaid defensive stopper can I get for Moody and 2 1st round draft picks. Small ball would work better if I could trade Moody for a faster more tencious version of Moody.

If all I can afford with our salary cap is a 4th string player then my preffered position for the 4th string player is center. We have a smart center that sets screens and offensive rebounds. We have a 3 point shooting center. We have a fast center who can block shots. All 3 of our centers are undersized. A big center would be a 4th look.

Theree is no other position where we benefit from adding a borderline NBA level affordable 4th string center.

I am talking about adding somebody marginal who would be the biggest player on a small team.
My next best choice would be adding our fastest player on a slow team. Payton is probably our fastest player but I don’t think Payton is really al that fast. Payton may be fast by off guard standards but I do not think Payton is particularly quick by point guard standards. Payton looks fast when he makes a quick decision to go all in on a defensive gamble but I think that is the instant decisiveness that Payton has on gambles not actual speed.

If I want a defender that can hound a quick opposing point guard into giving up the ball I think I need ssomebody quicker than Payton. You can really screw up an opposing teams offense by getting the ball out of their point guard’s hands unless the team has a good secondary playmaker.

So dribble stopping super quick defensive 4th stream point guard to back up Curry Podz and Payton is my second desire after 4th string big center.

I just don’t dont think the salary cap allows us to get players better than Saric and Corey Joseph.
We can go after unproven young G-leaguers with higher upsides that might be bust waised roster spots.

Garuba can play in the NBA without being a disaster. Quinones and Santos have potential. I don’t think Robinson has much upside potential.

Do you think we can get an impact player without giving up any of Curry, Dray, Klay, Kuminga, and Wiggins. Our board hates Klay. Sign and trade Klay and 4 1st round picks for who?

Our team while small and slow has a somewhat flexible roster. Klay could drop dead without creating a glaring hole in our roster. Klay is not that efficient when forcing up shots but if I had to ask somebody other than Curry to force up shots I would want Klay to be the guy.Kuminga, Quinones and maybe Podz would not be much worse than Klay if forced to try to carry an offense by forcing up shots.

Warriors fleet of outside shooters is not very scary to defenses without Klay. But really I could take a very good player at any position back in exchange for Klay and 4 1st round picks.Teams won’t really want Klay. Just trading Klay to use his salary and trading Klay because our board hates Klay. The 4 1st round picks are the priceit costs to get a player who will be our 3rd best player. A plyer on the level of Draymond and Kuminga is going to cost 4 1st round picks and a matching salary.

I would rather keep Klay and Wiggins and trade Chris Paul as the matching salary but I think the option of trading Chris Paul as the matching salary ended at the trade deadline. If we extend Chris Paul we can trade Chris Paul but we will have to throw ina few million dollars and a5th 1st round pick because overpaid Chris Paul is a negative.

So here is the ambitious version: Chris Paul, Saric, Moody, and Payton and 30 million dollars and 5 1st round picks for DeJounte Murray, a 270 pound 7 footer that can block shots and shoot 3s, an ultra quick 6’ 1” defensive specialist, and an ultra quick 6’ 5” defensive spcialist. Neither defensive specialist have to be any good at offense. This probably needs to be a 4 team trade.

[TB]

Lux tax - 171m
1st apron - 179m
2nd apron - 190m

With no trades, and before Klay/CP3 figured out, plus adding Q as a minimum....

11 players - 146m

Lets add Klay for roughly 20m

12 players - 166m

Lets assume we want to use the TPMLE of roughly 5m

13 players - 171m

Now, at this point that 14th player being a vet minimum would actually allow for the 13m MLE rather than the 5m TPMLE...

Or, we use the CP3 contract and other assets to try and bring in a non-FA via trade that keeps us under the 190 2nd apron. This is my guess for what we will do, since I don't think we will be a huge FA destination with so many rotation spots pretty much locked up.

And of course, Klay's play this year could totally change that "estimate" of 20m into something where we can use the TPMLE and use part of CP3 for a trade. But my guess is, even with his warts, a 40% shooter that is capable of 15+ PPG is going to get somewhere in that range.

This is my long way of saying, expect a very similar team with CP3 and Saric replaced by whatever we use the MLE and a trade on. The only way its drastically different is if we have a shot at a major trade that would send not only CP3 and picks, but also some of our young assets.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Lux tax - 171m
1st apron - 179m
2nd apron - 190m

With no trades, and before Klay/CP3 figured out, plus adding Q as a minimum....

11 players - 146m

Lets add Klay for roughly 20m

12 players - 166m

Lets assume we want to use the TPMLE of roughly 5m

13 players - 171m

Now, at this point that 14th player being a vet minimum would actually allow for the 13m MLE rather than the 5m TPMLE...

Or, we use the CP3 contract and other assets to try and bring in a non-FA via trade that keeps us under the 190 2nd apron. This is my guess for what we will do, since I don't think we will be a huge FA destination with so many rotation spots pretty much locked up.

And of course, Klay's play this year could totally change that "estimate" of 20m into something where we can use the TPMLE and use part of CP3 for a trade. But my guess is, even with his warts, a 40% shooter that is capable of 15+ PPG is going to get somewhere in that range.

This is my long way of saying, expect a very similar team with CP3 and Saric replaced by whatever we use the MLE and a trade on. The only way its drastically different is if we have a shot at a major trade that would send not only CP3 and picks, but also some of our young assets.

Can Cris Paul’s salary be traded without extending Chris Paul?

Trade checker stll says I can trade Chris Paul and Moody for Dejounte Murray and Capela but trade checker may be thinking about what was legal before the trade deadline rather than what is legal next summer. I think we have the right to pick up Chris Paul’s option and overpay Chris Paul for one more year.

Warriors had to pay 5 million dollars to dump Corey Joseph’s salary onto the Pacers. I think any team willing to accept overpaid Chris Paul in a trade from the Warriors will want many millions dollars. The other part of the drade would be a boat load full of draft picks and Moody for Capela and Dejounte. Capela is pretty good but he is undersized like Looney Saric and Trayce.

[CDM_Stats]

DJM's salary spikes from this year to next. He makes 25 or 28m next year, forget which. He's off the table if Klay re-ups for 20m, or really for any amount. Which was a big part of why he was so appealing

However if Klay walks, that door can re-open

[Jester_]

17-20m a year for Klay Thompson is crazy talk

[TB]

In a perfect scenario this offseason we are sitting at 170m or less with 13 players, our draft protections open up to allow 4 picks + swaps being available assets, and we use CP3s contract to match Lauri's 18m + a million picks. Which might work if the Jazz like our post-steph picks more than the million picks the thunder have. MLE on a backup guard (I'll throw in Dunn since I like his game).

Head into next year feeling pretty confident with:

Steph / Dunn / Lester
Wiggins / Podz / GP2
Kuminga / Klay
Lauri / Moody / Santos
Dray / Loon / Trayce

And thats why I like RealGM. Its the day after the trade deadline and I've lined up my plan for next year

[Onus]

In a perfect scenario this offseason we are sitting at 170m or less with 13 players, our draft protections open up to allow 4 picks + swaps being available assets, and we use CP3s contract to match Lauri's 18m + a million picks. Which might work if the Jazz like our post-steph picks more than the million picks the thunder have. MLE on a backup guard (I'll throw in Dunn since I like his game).

Head into next year feeling pretty confident with:

Steph / Dunn / Lester
Wiggins / Podz / GP2
Kuminga / Klay
Lauri / Moody / Santos
Dray / Loon / Trayce

And thats why I like RealGM. Its the day after the trade deadline and I've lined up my plan for next year

Getting Lauri without giving up jk. I like your style

[floppymoose]

I dont see any reason resign Klay at any price. At this point min salary folks are about as good.

[killmongrel]

So let's say Kuminga really is that guy. Somebody that the Warriors think can be Steph's Robin. I decided to take a look at every team's payroll and roster.

First, I took a look at if there is a possibility that any "super stars" could be available because they become disgruntled. The names like AD, Durant, LBJ, Embiid, Jimmy Butler came out to having a semblance of a chance of being possibilities. But that "chance" is basically slim to none.

I then took a look at players who were a tier or two below that who could possibly be available for a trade for one reason or another. The names I came up with were KAT, PG, Ingram, Markennan, Bridges, Brown.

Are any of those names of interest? And if they are, are they worth getting rid of a significant portion of the youth and assets?

But again, the chance of any of those name becoming available are low unless something drastic happens between now and the off season.

The next thing I did was look for names that we could possibly trade for that would require some of our assets, but not most of it. Who can we get to help our core of Steph, Kuminga, Draymond, Wiggins. And the names I came up with are the names that have been mentioned before - Caruso and Murray.

All in all, the options are limited. If there isn't a player that the FO is in love with, then they're going to focus on getting out of the luxury tax. But this only works if Kuminga continues to play amazingly. Then the organization will be able to sell it to the fans that it's the logical way to go

CP3 walks. Klay comes back for a number that keeps them under the tax line. They use whatever mle is available to them. And they continue to pray that Kuminga looks legit.

I also took a quick look at free agents for 2024. It looks bleak for anybody who doesn't have capspace. I would at least use some of it on a center.

But for the most part, unless the Warriors decide to make a big trade, the roster will most likely look the same.

Steph/Podz/(Vet?)
Wiggins/Lester/GP2
Kuminga/Klay(?)/Moody
Draymond/Santos
MLE Center(?)/Looney/TJD

I do think they need to see if they can trade for somebody significant enough that can at least be a third option. There is nobody on the free agent market that they can sign unless they think Lonnie Walker is that guy. Lulz. Hopefully the FO gets Steph the help he deserves.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I dont see any reason resign Klay at any price. At this point min salary folks are about as good.

Warriors were kind to Klay when they extended him while he had a possible career ending injury.

Being kind to Klay probably made other players think the Warriors are a fair organization.

But enough is enough now. We should only pay Klay what his open market value is. Free agency will tell Klay what his market value is. Klay thinks he is worth more than he is worth and thinks the Warriors are trying to low ball him.

I would love to ean a million a year. I am not to proud to accept a million a year to clean up puke at a hospital. This pride crap is stupid. Klay should understand that he is not a good defender anymore.

Don’t get mad at the Warriors and think they are low balling you. Become a free agent and find out what you are worth. If you must take a pay cut then sign a deal with an opt out and try to prove your worth next year and go back into free agency in 2025 to get paid.


But I am in favor of the Warriors offering Klay a pay cut and paying Klay what he is worth and keeping Klay. Klay must be worth at least twice the vet minimum. Free agency will reveal his worth.

Klay is not a serious cancer that we need to get rid of.

[GswStorm3]

I dont see any reason resign Klay at any price. At this point min salary folks are about as good.

I'm perfectly fine with Podz, Moody and Lester Q taking all those minutes next season. Unless it's a one year deal Klay must go if you want to sign JK long term and get under the first apron.

[superunknown]

17-20m a year for Klay Thompson is crazy talk

absolutely madness.