Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?

[ShootersShoot]

Loon definitely getting underrated, I mean dude was our 3rd most important player during our championship run 18 months ago

Loon has clear weaknesses that are TJD strengths..I think along with saric they will make a quality rotation.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

TJD can't shoot a 3 to save his life. He does have limits. But the real question is simple: is he better than anything else on the roster (Looney)?

The answer appears to be an overwhelming yes. He should play a lot until we find out he can't.

Bingo

Not everybody has to be able to shoot 3s.
If your team has guys that can shoot 3s coming off screens a non-3 point shooting big can create floor spacing just by dragging his man out to 3 point line by setting a pick at the 3 point line for his 3 point shooting teammate.

I hate people thinking that good bigs are not good because they can not shoot 3s.

Looney was better than JaMychal Green even though JaMychal Green could shoot 3s. Looney was better than Bejelica. Last year’s Looney was better than Saric and I see no reason why Looney won’t get back to playing like last year’s Looney.

[Sandy333]

TJD is better than current looney, not the looney from couple of years ago. But comparing to the versatility of peak draymond is not possible.

[jozef]

I see no reason why anybody could expect an improvement of Looney's athleticism.

[Impuniti]

Loon definitely getting underrated, I mean dude was our 3rd most important player during our championship run 18 months ago

Loon was not more important than either Green or especially Wiggins. He was more in the same tier as Klay and JP in terms of importance, where you flip and switch depending on the team.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Loon definitely getting underrated, I mean dude was our 3rd most important player during our championship run 18 months ago

Loon was not more important than either Green or especially Wiggins. He was more in the same tier as Klay and JP in terms of importance, where you flip and switch depending on the team.

The 5 starters ability to cover for each other and rotate meant that any one of them could give help and double or sag towards the rim or sag towards the ball and the others could sag to cover an open spot on the floor or saf to cover 2 men. 2022 playoff defense was high basketball IQ sophisticated defense and Looney was good at that.

[jozef]

Loon was benched in the Finals and was easily replaceable part of the lineup. Period.

[Mac1958]

You're not going to find another peak Draymond Green to replace Draymond Green. So looking for one, or making direct comparisons, is pointless.

But TJD has a really nice skill set, plus he's smart and plays with some fire. If it were up to me, I'd put him in the 4 right now and set my sights on a center with range. This was an awesome pickup, a guy I was hoping they could grab in the first round.

[Impuniti]

The entire premise of this topic is confusing. JK is more of a 3 in my opinion, but he's much closer to a replacement to Dray than Trayce. Trayce would be a replacement for Looney.

[CDM_Stats]

Loon definitely getting underrated, I mean dude was our 3rd most important player during our championship run 18 months ago

Loon was not more important than either Green or especially Wiggins. He was more in the same tier as Klay and JP in terms of importance, where you flip and switch depending on the team.

Yup.. people frequently rank importance based on their expectations and/or end results. Looney was great during that run, and it was finally being recognized that he was a critical part of the defense

But there's also something to be said about the on/off splits and who's behind them. Looney's importance was magnified because most people see backups linearly, so they'd assume Nemo was the replacement if Looney wasnt there, and that would be terrible, thus making Looney more important. But really his backup was OPJ, and he did great in the role too, so..

[sonnyhill]

The entire premise of this topic is confusing. JK is more of a 3 in my opinion, but he's much closer to a replacement to Dray than Trayce. Trayce would be a replacement for Looney.

Smart and on-point post.

[Upperclass]

If they had a center, Jackson-Davis would fit well at PF. But they also need a SF and lost value on Wiggins and Kuminga. The entire team needs a reset

[michaelm]

If they had a center, Jackson-Davis would fit well at PF. But they also need a SF and lost value on Wiggins and Kuminga. The entire team needs a reset

Nonsense. Why are you writing off a 28 year old Wiggins who was great in the last title run and looks to be rounding back into form after forced recuperation in the off season from a rib fracture courtesy of LeBron. He isn’t a good playmaking PF, but who other than Kerr thought he was ?.

[GSWFan1994]

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[Warriors Analyst]

Loon was benched in the Finals and was easily replaceable part of the lineup. Period.

You are re-writing history to fit your tired narrative. The starting lineup with Otto had a negative net rating in the Finals. Kerr good Looney to sub in automatically whenever the Celtics went to single-big lineups. Andre Iguodala talked about this at length on his podcast. Looney was on the court for most of the fourth quarter of Game 4 (and when Draymond sat), which was the game that decided the series. The Warriors, per FiveThirtyEight, “they outscored the Celtics by 12 in points from the paint, while they were outscored by 6 in that area during his 20 minutes on the bench.”

Looney has been worse this season. But your obsession with his lack of athletic ability is exhausting and so single-minded that your view of the recent past is warped and incorrect.

[jozef]

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Loon definitely getting underrated, I mean dude was our 3rd most important player during our championship run 18 months ago
jozef wrote:
Loon was benched in the Finals and was easily replaceable part of the lineup. Period.
What did I re-write??
Otto +/- as starter was -1, +6, +3. Simply any 3rd most important player cannot be moved to the bench and averaging 22 minutes as Loon did. Nonsense. Kevon Looney combined for 8! points in Game 4, 5 and 6. It is 2,67 points per game... Are you kidding me?
It is not exhausting obsession and single-minded view. It is the truth. Ongoing struggle. He was easily replacable then and his fitness deteriorated this season. The difference between Looney+Saric and TJD+Kuminga is mind boggling. Go hit the gym and track and fields for a while and maybe you get that "single-minded" view too.

[EvanZ]

If they had a center, Jackson-Davis would fit well at PF. But they also need a SF and lost value on Wiggins and Kuminga. The entire team needs a reset

TJD is a 5. He is absolutely not a 4 in the modern NBA.


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[oaktownwarriors87]

If they had a center, Jackson-Davis would fit well at PF. But they also need a SF and lost value on Wiggins and Kuminga. The entire team needs a reset

TJD is a 5. He is absolutely not a 4 in the modern NBA.


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The starting PF for each team with an SRS of 2.0+ whose best player isn't the starting PF:

Prozingis
Tobias Harris
Obi Toppin
Giddey?
Aaron Gordon
Jabari Smith

I don't know if there is really an NBA prototype for PF. I'm sure he could play next to a lot of quality centers in the NBA. We just don't have one.


Green wasn't a starting PF when he came in. The Warriors just made him fit.

[TB]

The NBA prototype for a PF has shifted to almost always having to be capable defensively on the perimeter as well as somewhat able to stretch the floor on the offense.... at the very least gotta be one of those things to be a quality starter. Maybe I'm forgetting an outlier, but Trayce would be one of the only PFs that can't guard on the perimeter on defense and also can't shoot on offense to space the floor.

I haven't watched a ton of Wolves games, but I'm actually pretty interested in what type of scheme they are doing to cover KATs inability to guard on the perimeter.... my guess is he just sells out on close outs and Rudy cleans up any blow by's? Not to mention Jaden, Ant, Conley all capable help defenders.

[Warriorfan]

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