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Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:44 pm
by MikeIsGood
Day after. Disappointment was purely over my favorite college football player from two seasons ago being there for us but passing on him. The player himself I'm quite pleased with, and agree with those saying it is actually a position of need.

Pickup one of the TEs today and we'll be off to a good start.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:51 pm
by emunney
I don't watch a ton of CFB anymore, but I've seen enough to know a monster when I see one. Guys who are physically built like him (*easily* carrying 270+) who play with motor and can bend and start and stop and operate in space and just **** manhandle giants are super unusual. It's surprising to me he wasn't more highly regarded. I always laugh at the idea that there's some super steep learning curve with guys who are physically dominant, like playing defensive line is **** subtle and complicated.

Seems high floor high ceiling to me.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:20 pm
by M-C-G
emunney wrote:I don't watch a ton of CFB anymore, but I've seen enough to know a monster when I see one. Guys who are physically built like him (*easily* carrying 270+) who play with motor and can bend and start and stop and operate in space and just **** manhandle giants are super unusual. It's surprising to me he wasn't more highly regarded. I always laugh at the idea that there's some super steep learning curve with guys who are physically dominant, like playing defensive line is **** subtle and complicated.

Seems high floor high ceiling to me.


Just highlights, but on twitter I just saw plays of him blowing up the OSU and Northwestern T that just got drafted in the first. If I had doubts, that kind of erased it.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:23 pm
by Ron Swanson
Yeah, obviously you can't go entirely on clips and highlights, but the one play where he absolutely demolished Skoronski was eye-opening. Dude is an absolute physical specimen who just needs some fine-tuning.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:28 pm
by Matches Malone
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Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:48 pm
by BUCKnation
Fine with the position and hope he ends up playing well. Initially, like his size, athleticism and versatility. Definitely needed an EDGE/DL given Gary's ACL and preston's age.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:09 pm
by zmanishere11
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:Raw player who looks like Hercules and has two entrenched starters in front of him. Makes total sense with a new QB to invest in the D.

Plan is to coach him up.

The coach is Joe Barry.

I rest my case


Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:11 pm
by MVP2110
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:Raw player who looks like Hercules and has two entrenched starters in front of him. Makes total sense with a new QB to invest in the D.

Plan is to coach him up.

The coach is Joe Barry.

I rest my case


Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.


If you think Rashan Gary was a bad pick I'm not sure what to tell you

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:29 pm
by Treebeard
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.


If you think Rashan Gary was a bad pick I'm not sure what to tell you


At the time of the pick, there was considerable question marks here about Gary's potential, Just as with Van Ness. IIRC, Gary was considered a project with some boom/bust potential in equal parts. As we have enjoyed, BOOM was definitely the case

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:33 pm
by emunney
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:Raw player who looks like Hercules and has two entrenched starters in front of him. Makes total sense with a new QB to invest in the D.

Plan is to coach him up.

The coach is Joe Barry.

I rest my case


Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.


You think he's another Gary, and this upsets you? Okey doke.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:46 pm
by M-C-G
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:Raw player who looks like Hercules and has two entrenched starters in front of him. Makes total sense with a new QB to invest in the D.

Plan is to coach him up.

The coach is Joe Barry.

I rest my case


Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.


TJ Watt is maybe the premier edge in the league. At the age of 24 he had 38 pressures and 13 sacks. At the age of 24 Gary had 47 pressures and 9.5 sacks. And was arguably one of the better run defenders in the league.

Gary is more than a nice player, he was on the doorstep of being a star, so trying to get another Gary works for me.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:44 pm
by Profound23
M-C-G wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.


TJ Watt is maybe the premier edge in the league. At the age of 24 he had 38 pressures and 13 sacks. At the age of 24 Gary had 47 pressures and 9.5 sacks. And was arguably one of the better run defenders in the league.

Gary is more than a nice player, he was on the doorstep of being a star, so trying to get another Gary works for me.



And as someone who hated the Gary pick then tore it to pieces for an entire year, I have learned my lesson and will wait to see how this pick turns out.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:53 pm
by coolhandluke121
Yeah but how can you justify wasting the #13 pick on someone who might be good enough to command a $100m contract, which is a lot of money, and could tear his ACL on top of that? Probably could have gotten him in the 5th round if they had played their cards right.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:55 pm
by RRyder823
Ron Swanson wrote:I'm someone who would have loved JSN at 13 too, but every draft is like clockwork. All the casual Packer fans and mouth-breather 620 callers latch onto whoever the consensus best WR is in our pick range, and if you don't pick that guy, then the front office is "dumb as ****", "they don't care about winning Super Bowls" blah blah. God forbid they can get it through their simpleton football minds that there are less sexier but more important positions than wide receiver.
I don't have an issue when people complain about not drafting a specific player. We all have guys we zero in on and hope for.

I have an issue when people bitch about not drafting a position as of the player doesn't matter. They just wanted a position filled no matter who it is.

That seems asinine to me

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Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:00 pm
by RRyder823
zmanishere11 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
zmanishere11 wrote:Raw player who looks like Hercules and has two entrenched starters in front of him. Makes total sense with a new QB to invest in the D.

Plan is to coach him up.

The coach is Joe Barry.

I rest my case


Coordinator's don't develop players, that's on the position coaches for the most part. And they've had a lot of success developing Edge guys in the last few years. Rashan Gary has been great, JJ Enagbare was a productive for a day 3 guy, and even Justin Hollins was a solid midseason find who contributed. I have plenty of faith GB will develop him into a really good player. Now will Barry use him right? I have no idea but hopefully the next guy will when Barry inevitably gets fired


Rashaan Gary has 22 sacks in 3.5 years and we are about to give him $100 mil coming off an ACL.

This is very much the exact same pick.

Gary is a nice player currently, but don't you want more production out of guys you draft with high first round picks?

That is my problem.
Uhmmmm if he turns out like Gary........ yay?..................

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Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:54 pm
by chonestown
Most of the problems with Gary revolved around his post-selection demeanor if I recall. Ability wasn't in question.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:14 pm
by Profound23
Steelers wanted Van Ness.....supposedly they viewed him as a TJ clone. Hopefully he ends up being that good or even close.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:17 pm
by MikeIsGood
chonestown wrote:Most of the problems with Gary revolved around his post-selection demeanor if I recall. Ability wasn't in question.


Yes, and some of the takes made me embarrassed to be a Packers fan. Or, I guess, a human.

Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:19 pm
by LittleRooster
Profound23 wrote:Steelers wanted Van Ness.....supposedly they viewed him as a TJ clone. Hopefully he ends up being that good or even close.

Just curious, where did you hear that? Makes me excited lol


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Re: Round One - Lukas Van Ness

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:21 pm
by Ron Swanson
True, didn't see a single tear shed as he was selected. I want my drafted rookies to have intense emotive reactions, not look happy and celebrate with all their hot blonde sisters.

#BustAlert