stillgotgame wrote:Love has a lot at stake with the timing of Rodgers trade. $20.27M to be exact.
The chances of him not getting the 5th year option picked up is basically zero.
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stillgotgame wrote:Love has a lot at stake with the timing of Rodgers trade. $20.27M to be exact.
LUKE23 wrote:stillgotgame wrote:Love has a lot at stake with the timing of Rodgers trade. $20.27M to be exact.
The chances of him not getting the 5th year option picked up is basically zero.
stillgotgame wrote:LUKE23 wrote:stillgotgame wrote:Love has a lot at stake with the timing of Rodgers trade. $20.27M to be exact.
The chances of him not getting the 5th year option picked up is basically zero.
Do you think we exercise it if Rodgers isn't gone by May 1?
More motivation for us to get this done. Let's move on.
ReasonablySober wrote:I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.
Carioca wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.
The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.
ReasonablySober wrote:Carioca wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.
The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.
Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.
stillgotgame wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Carioca wrote:
The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.
Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.
If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.
In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.
ReasonablySober wrote:stillgotgame wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.
If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.
Look at what the Giants did with Jones. Didn't pick up the 5th, he played well enough for them to commit to him for the next four years.In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.
That's the move with Love if he's good.
stillgotgame wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:stillgotgame wrote:
If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.
Look at what the Giants did with Jones. Didn't pick up the 5th, he played well enough for them to commit to him for the next four years.In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.
That's the move with Love if he's good.
The cap hit is about the same for the 1st year. They added $20M of dead cap to future years though. Bad cycle to stay in.
Love's dead cap after his 5th year option is zero.
Frank Nova wrote:If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.
Carioca wrote:Frank Nova wrote:If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.
There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.
Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.
ReasonablySober wrote:For the record, like I said earlier, I think he's gonna be really good.
Mags FTW wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:For the record, like I said earlier, I think he's gonna be really good.
Would you put him ahead of J.P. Losman?
Totally agree. It's very likely a 2 yr window unless it's just horrific next year.Frank Nova wrote:Carioca wrote:Frank Nova wrote:If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.
There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.
Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.
A 2yr cycle is fine if there’s any semblance of progression. We are talking about the Packers being the worst team in the league next year and drafting Caleb Williams to replace
Jordan Love already. If that were to happen, that will be unacceptable on every metric level of competence imaginable. Gutenkist will have wasted the entire 2020 draft, ruined our cap by handing Rodgers a poison pill contract for the past 2 seasons and then tanked his way to completely hitting another reset button? And he should be allowed to earn a paycheck for that? Nah, that’s BS, that is his 3yr window.. You kick him in the pants on his way out the door and tell him thanks for nothing moron. Idk what you do for a living but I know if I was that bad at my job, my boss would have no problem doing that to me for the better of the business.
I realize this is hypothetical and I wouldn’t even be mad at the opportunity to draft Caleb Williams, he looks like a real franchise QB. However, this FO would not under any circumstance deserve the opportunity to see that unfold..