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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#321 » by Worm Guts » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:38 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:We’re going to need figure out our secondary. I can’t believe we won when we couldn’t seem to stop them at all. Still it’s a road win against a quality team, I shouldn’t complain.


More on our secondary, specifically our corners, from Bill Barnwell. I knew Rhodes wasn't playing all that great, but I didn't grasp the full extent to which he's fallen off. Borderline shocking.

Cornerback has typically been a source of strength for the Vikings, but it has been a major weakness this season. Rhodes has been a shell of his former self. He has allowed opposing quarterbacks to complete 84.3% of their passes when he has been the closest defender in coverage, per NFL Next Gen Stats. That's nearly 17 percentage points ahead of what NGS estimates as the expected completion percentage (67.4%) on those passes. Among players who have been targeted 50 times or more, Rhodes ranks last in both completion percentage and completion percentage above expectation.

Waynes hasn't been much better; he ranks third in completion percentage above expectation and has the sixth-worst passer rating as the nearest defender in coverage this season. He missed the win over the Cowboys on Sunday with an ankle injury, which turned a starting job over to Hughes, who looked impressive as a rookie last season before tearing his ACL. The Cowboys ruthlessly targeted Hughes throughout the night, including repeated attempts on what was to be the ill-fated failed drive in the fourth quarter. Nobody in the stadium was more relieved that the Cowboys ran the ball twice in a row on the final series of that drive than Hughes, who was targeted on five straight attempts for four completions and 39 yards.

A limited Amari Cooper finished with 11 catches on 14 targets for 147 yards and a touchdown, and it wasn't the first time the Vikings have struggled against the opposing team's top wideout. There just isn't anybody on this roster who can cover top-tier wideouts at this point. Last week, even with Matt Moore at quarterback for the Chiefs, Tyreek Hill had six catches for 140 yards and a touchdown. Minnesota quieted Lions wideout Kenny Golladay, but Marvin Jones had 10 catches for 93 yards and four touchdowns. Alshon Jeffery had 10 catches on 12 targets for 76 yards and a score for the Eagles. Davante Adams had seven catches for 106 yards for the Packers.


The secondary may have past the offensive line at this point as the limiting factor to how far the Vikings can go. One of the Vikings strengths has always been not giving up 3rd and long, it happened 3-4 times against Dallas.
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#322 » by hermes » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:30 pm

that's very troubling to read

might as well mark us down for a corner in the first round of the draft
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#323 » by Jedzz » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:02 pm

Thielen still out. Commence with the Cook game plan
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#324 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:32 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The secondary may have past the offensive line at this point as the limiting factor to how far the Vikings can go. One of the Vikings strengths has always been not giving up 3rd and long, it happened 3-4 times against Dallas.


Right on cue, Rhodes is getting torched to a crisp. WTF happened to this dude?
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Post#325 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:32 pm

if brandon allen carves us up we officially have a secondary problem
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#326 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:33 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:The secondary may have past the offensive line at this point as the limiting factor to how far the Vikings can go. One of the Vikings strengths has always been not giving up 3rd and long, it happened 3-4 times against Dallas.


Right on cue, Rhodes is getting torched to a crisp. WTF happened to this dude?

yeah how did we get to the point where the matchup the other team wants is their wr on rhodes?
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#327 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:34 pm

hey offense, lets get going!
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#328 » by Worm Guts » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:40 pm

We’re in trouble. This is the Bills game from last year all over again.
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#329 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:42 pm

Lol, now Waynes has a seat on the barbecue. This is like last year’s Bills game all over again.
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#330 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:42 pm

Worm Guts wrote:We’re in trouble. This is the Bills game from last year all over again.


Beat me by a minute.
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#331 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:45 pm

need something to shift momentum before this gets too ugly

if it hasn't already
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#332 » by Jedzz » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:57 pm

Worm Guts wrote:We’re in trouble. This is the Bills game from last year all over again.


Probably. Repeating annual let down Zimmer games. This deficit should force the Vikings to start moving downfield with more targets. Maybe.
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Post#333 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:58 pm

well we're in real trouble

if cousins can overcome all his issues of playing in scenarios like this then that will be very impressive. let's hope he (and the rest of the team) can
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Post#334 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:00 pm

rats, finally get a good play and holding
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Post#335 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:04 pm

turnover here would be great, the offense could use a short field
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#336 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:09 pm

we just can't get out of our own way
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#337 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:16 pm

finally got a stop

need some points before halftime
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#338 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:21 pm

well crap
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#339 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:23 pm

Just let them score again so I can go jerk off and take a nap.
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Re: 2019 Regular Season 

Post#340 » by hermes » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:27 pm

vikings are killing themselves as much as the broncos are

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