Duke4life831 wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Brad Childress went 10-6 with Gus Ferrotte and Tavaris Jackson as the QBs. He had a magical season with a 40 year old Favre 1 year. Doesnt last year look like we just hit lightning in a bottle with Case? Kind of like the 1 year with Favre. We are going to be looking at 5 years and 1 playoff win under Zim, and that playoff win came off of a miracle. We had 5 years and 1 playoff win under Childress. Childress was fired mid season after his previous 2 seasons were 10-6 and 12-4.
I don’t know that Childress should have been fired based only on his success, but he was also an offensive coach who usually didn’t have a good offense and nobody seemed to like him.
And if you remember the Childress era was followed by Frazier era, which was much worse. You fire someone like Zimmer, you might get someone better, but you’ll probably get someone worse.
I agree with you 100%. We could easily fire Zim and end up with another Frazier. Back to my GS example though, they couldve just treadmill with Mark Jackson as their coach but they took a chance on a new coach to see if he couldve taken them to the next level. GS couldve easily ended up with Derek Fisher and we wouldve never seen the GS that we know now.
All im saying is I dont know how much better we are going to get under Zimmer. I think we will always have a stud defense under him. But I dont see this offense ever being consistently good under him. Honestly I just think he is a really good DC, just not a HC. I think he is too much of a perfectionist to not stick his hands in on the offensive side of the ball. You dont hear reports of McVay poking his head in Wade Phillips play book, or Nagy in Fangio's play book. Again great coordinator, just dont see a great HC.
i think i get your perspective, seems a little like marvin lewis and the bengals. he's been there forever, doing good enough (most of the time) to not get fired but not ever getting very far. this feels a little like that
i'm not sure where i stand on zimmer. he really built this defense into a monster, now its taking a step back this year at times but its still very solid and being the best is very tough to sustain long term. i'd like for it to not fall off a cliff and there is a chance it could if he leaves (especially if he gets another coaching gig (which he may not with his age) since we've seen his history of going after his former players)
but i also think jedzz and duke are right that he's a detriment to the team's offense. he doesn't deal much with it other than push his vision which i don't think jives with where the league is going. it probably does work well with his defense though which may be the sticking point. zimmer has said that he wants to step back from being so involved with the defense to be more involved with the rest of the team but that hasn't really happened and quite frankly i'm thinking he should just stay all-in on the defense and completely let the oc run the offense. now that may not be practical now with stefanski being new to this
this will be an interesting off-season, we have the inside track to the playoffs but we are playing some terrible football right now. i suppose we could sneak in and a switch flips we get hot and go on a run but i doubt it.
i think we need a new special teams coach but i'd be fine sticking with zimmer - the major key will be an honest to goodness emphasis on improving the offensive line. it can be done, seattle's used to be terrible and look how good they are now