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Wizop wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Also Like Ulrich Comche
I've been reading about him too. when he declared someone suggested that meant he had a promise from some team.
Wizop wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:I bet we see Bobi Klintman, DaRon Holmes, or Ryan Dunn associated with Indy a ton. And I imagine we would’ve considered them all around 19 anyway.
We were supposedly interested in Klintman before he withdrew last year. Dunn's defense would fit if his offense didn't keep in on the Ants - see K Brown.
I'm concentrating on college seniors given our success with Nembhard and Sheppard.
JMaster5K wrote:I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? . . . What do you guys think?.....
Wizop wrote:JMaster5K wrote:I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? . . . What do you guys think?.....
He shouldn't drop to 36. Do you expect us to trade back into the first? I don't see how we'd do that unless we decide to shop Nembhard.
JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:JMaster5K wrote:I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? . . . What do you guys think?.....
He shouldn't drop to 36. Do you expect us to trade back into the first? I don't see how we'd do that unless we decide to shop Nembhard.
So, wasn't really considering moving a player to get him,... more like consolidating our 3 seconds & maybe a future 2nd into 2 better picks?.... And there could be a team or 2 that would be interested in Stix (and where he would want to go), but don't have the room to go make an offer? but could work a sign & trade? There's still a lot of options floating around at the moment?
JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:I bet we see Bobi Klintman, DaRon Holmes, or Ryan Dunn associated with Indy a ton. And I imagine we would’ve considered them all around 19 anyway.
We were supposedly interested in Klintman before he withdrew last year. Dunn's defense would fit if his offense didn't keep in on the Ants - see K Brown.
I'm concentrating on college seniors given our success with Nembhard and Sheppard.
Finally getting a chance to watch some the season highlights on a few prospects,... I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? Yeah,.. his motor was in question a year ago,.. but his time at IU looks good. He moves better than I thought he would. He's got the feet to play the 4,... and equal length to Myles,... Better post up game than Myles,.. though not as good as Pascal,... as good a perimeter game as Myles. At least in the last year with IU, he seemed to rebound well?... Needs to work on his foul shooting and his passing and add some strength for the NBA, but otherwise has some skills.
If he drops a little, he might be able to back up both Pascal & Myles when he starts to earn minutes? (assuming that Stix leaves.) What do you guys think?.....
Scoot McGroot wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:
We were supposedly interested in Klintman before he withdrew last year. Dunn's defense would fit if his offense didn't keep in on the Ants - see K Brown.
I'm concentrating on college seniors given our success with Nembhard and Sheppard.
Finally getting a chance to watch some the season highlights on a few prospects,... I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? Yeah,.. his motor was in question a year ago,.. but his time at IU looks good. He moves better than I thought he would. He's got the feet to play the 4,... and equal length to Myles,... Better post up game than Myles,.. though not as good as Pascal,... as good a perimeter game as Myles. At least in the last year with IU, he seemed to rebound well?... Needs to work on his foul shooting and his passing and add some strength for the NBA, but otherwise has some skills.
If he drops a little, he might be able to back up both Pascal & Myles when he starts to earn minutes? (assuming that Stix leaves.) What do you guys think?.....
Yeah, I was mostly listing Payne/Klintman/Dunn as guys that are listed as defensive presences somewhere at the 3/4/5 and likely to be available in the neighborhood of 36. I just imagine that with the team making the 2nd round, and getting a ton of eyeballs, there's going to be a lot of comments of "well, if that team just adds a couple more solid defenders..." and we'll see anyone that can reportedly defend, or be projected to defend, mocked to Indy as a result. Right or wrong.
along with ya. ) I was looking at bigs that could fill in a bit, but you don't really expect anything from for a year or two, that have the potential to actually develop into a good rotation player? potential starting teammates for Walker, etc..... defense first types. JMaster5K wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:JMaster5K wrote:
Finally getting a chance to watch some the season highlights on a few prospects,... I think I would put Kel'el Ware on the list? Yeah,.. his motor was in question a year ago,.. but his time at IU looks good. He moves better than I thought he would. He's got the feet to play the 4,... and equal length to Myles,... Better post up game than Myles,.. though not as good as Pascal,... as good a perimeter game as Myles. At least in the last year with IU, he seemed to rebound well?... Needs to work on his foul shooting and his passing and add some strength for the NBA, but otherwise has some skills.
If he drops a little, he might be able to back up both Pascal & Myles when he starts to earn minutes? (assuming that Stix leaves.) What do you guys think?.....
Yeah, I was mostly listing Payne/Klintman/Dunn as guys that are listed as defensive presences somewhere at the 3/4/5 and likely to be available in the neighborhood of 36. I just imagine that with the team making the 2nd round, and getting a ton of eyeballs, there's going to be a lot of comments of "well, if that team just adds a couple more solid defenders..." and we'll see anyone that can reportedly defend, or be projected to defend, mocked to Indy as a result. Right or wrong.
I hear ya. I was looking at bigs that could fill in a bit, but you don't really expect anything from for a year or two, that have the potential to actually develop into a good rotation player? potential starting teammates for Walker, etc..... defense first types.
I still keep hearing that this is a weak draft, but, as we said before, it feels like there are going to be some good players, key rotation pieces, with long careers from this draft? The athletic testing numbers from this combine certainly are not weak. much better than I expected based on the previews?...
Scoot McGroot wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
Yeah, I was mostly listing Payne/Klintman/Dunn as guys that are listed as defensive presences somewhere at the 3/4/5 and likely to be available in the neighborhood of 36. I just imagine that with the team making the 2nd round, and getting a ton of eyeballs, there's going to be a lot of comments of "well, if that team just adds a couple more solid defenders..." and we'll see anyone that can reportedly defend, or be projected to defend, mocked to Indy as a result. Right or wrong.
I hear ya. I was looking at bigs that could fill in a bit, but you don't really expect anything from for a year or two, that have the potential to actually develop into a good rotation player? potential starting teammates for Walker, etc..... defense first types.
I still keep hearing that this is a weak draft, but, as we said before, it feels like there are going to be some good players, key rotation pieces, with long careers from this draft? The athletic testing numbers from this combine certainly are not weak. much better than I expected based on the previews?...
Yeah. I think this draft mostly has severely flawed players in it. Like Dunn, for example. He's a tremendous defender, and would fit any team in the league in that manner. He'd be a shoo-in for a lotto pick in most drafts. But he's not just terrible offensively, he's allergic to even playing offense in any way, to a point where he seems destined to be signed to vet minimum deals and hits some years, and sits some years. Etc.
JMaster5K wrote:Agreed,... or guys that for the most part are a couple of years away from contributing, if they can develop? Some that are a year away from even figuring out if they are flawed,...
Scoot McGroot wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:
He shouldn't drop to 36. Do you expect us to trade back into the first? I don't see how we'd do that unless we decide to shop Nembhard.
So, wasn't really considering moving a player to get him,... more like consolidating our 3 seconds & maybe a future 2nd into 2 better picks?.... And there could be a team or 2 that would be interested in Stix (and where he would want to go), but don't have the room to go make an offer? but could work a sign & trade? There's still a lot of options floating around at the moment?
Keep in mind that free agency is well after the draft. As is Stix's player option deadline. As such, there's no legal way to include a Jalen trade or sign and trade until after July 1, and it would be signs of illegal early talks to include draft picks in this year's draft (which will have happened before another team could legally talk to Jalen) in a trade for Jalen.
I would basically just keep him out of any trade possibilities at this year's draft.
Scoot McGroot wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
Yeah, I was mostly listing Payne/Klintman/Dunn as guys that are listed as defensive presences somewhere at the 3/4/5 and likely to be available in the neighborhood of 36. I just imagine that with the team making the 2nd round, and getting a ton of eyeballs, there's going to be a lot of comments of "well, if that team just adds a couple more solid defenders..." and we'll see anyone that can reportedly defend, or be projected to defend, mocked to Indy as a result. Right or wrong.
I hear ya. I was looking at bigs that could fill in a bit, but you don't really expect anything from for a year or two, that have the potential to actually develop into a good rotation player? potential starting teammates for Walker, etc..... defense first types.
I still keep hearing that this is a weak draft, but, as we said before, it feels like there are going to be some good players, key rotation pieces, with long careers from this draft? The athletic testing numbers from this combine certainly are not weak. much better than I expected based on the previews?...
Yeah. I think this draft mostly has severely flawed players in it. Like Dunn, for example. He's a tremendous defender, and would fit any team in the league in that manner. He'd be a shoo-in for a lotto pick in most drafts. But he's not just terrible offensively, he's allergic to even playing offense in any way, to a point where he seems destined to be signed to vet minimum deals and hits some years, and sits some years. Etc.
jarryd3107 wrote:Carlisle clearly doesn’t trust Nesmith or McConnell for that job.
Caruso has got one more year at $9m, probably costs us a mix of picks and players.
jarryd3107 wrote:My big take away from today’s game (besides Hali being terrified) is the closing group needs a better a two. Assuming Chicago makes changes, could we be a Caruso team? I’m still unsure why Nemhard guarded Brunson so much and i think this game looks much different if we had a better, bigger defender to take the job. Carlisle clearly doesn’t trust Nesmith or McConnell for that job.
Caruso has got one more year at $9m, probably costs us a mix of picks and players.
Does one of Shephard or Jackson + 2nds get it done? Are there any other bigger 3 and D 2s that would improve our closing 5?
Scoot McGroot wrote:My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin
