Re: 2024 Off-Season
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:01 pm
Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
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Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.
Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
Dobbs is 6-3.5 to Purdy's 6-0 (there was a poster who made a big deal about Purdy being too short) and ran a 4.64 40 (second fastest QB in his draft class) to Purdy's 4.84. There were probably critics complaining about Purdy being too slow and unathletic, so this should make that crowd happy as well. Bigger, faster - sounds more like an exact clone of Purdy and not "basically" a clone! If you are looking for "basically" a clone, Dobbs is closer to Trey Lance (6-4 height with a 4.69 40-time).
Big J wrote:There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.
Harry Palmer wrote:Big J wrote:There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.
This is you coming around on Purdy?
Samurai wrote:Harry Palmer wrote:Big J wrote:There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.
This is you coming around on Purdy?
Sounds like it. Seems that Purdy doesn't have athletic measurements but still finished at the top of QB ratings on throws over 20 yards and managed to pick up big first downs in the playoffs with his legs despite not having great sprint times. And an admission that Trey Lance had athletic measurements but as noted, that is different from functional athleticism.
Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.
Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.
5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.
Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.
5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.
Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.
Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:
5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.
Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.
The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.
Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Harry Palmer wrote:
This is you coming around on Purdy?
Sounds like it. Seems that Purdy doesn't have athletic measurements but still finished at the top of QB ratings on throws over 20 yards and managed to pick up big first downs in the playoffs with his legs despite not having great sprint times. And an admission that Trey Lance had athletic measurements but as noted, that is different from functional athleticism.
Purdy is a slightly more mobile Jimmy G. We never actually got to see Lance's athleticism because he barely played.
Pattersonca65 wrote:Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.
The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.
Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.
And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.
That's because Salah is an idiot. Imagine what he'd do under Kyle with the weapons here.
Big J wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:Big J wrote:
The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.
Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.
Lances 5th year option would have been peanuts compared to what they are going to have to pay for Purdys next deal.
Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:
5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.
Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.
The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.
Samurai wrote:Big J wrote:Samurai wrote:Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.
The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.
I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).
None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.