Official Critt vs Farmar debute

[zen_4_10]

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[RJM]

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[idf469]

is it just me or alot of people in here dont know what DEBUTE (debut) is??? isnt a debut when a player/person/artist has his first major performance of its career.

Either way crittenton looked real good out there it think that in 2-3 years if we keep them both we can have a starting team of

Farmar 15/3/4
Critt 17/5/5
Kobe 24/6/5
???
Bynum 20/12/2/2.5

Not a bad starting team...That could compete at a very high level for atleast 5-6 more years. And hopefully we are able to rid ourselves of Lamar Odom and get a young, real PF in return.

[snaquille oatmeal]

it is you!!!!!

we are just having fun with Star's thread tittle.


love you Star

[wezbo]

what is a debute?

well a deput is the 18th birthday of a Filipino girl

[LakerFanSince84]

I actually think that this argument is undebutable. Farmar plays like a point guard (he creates for other people as well as himself plus can finish when others create for him), Critt on the other hand seems strongest when when others create for him and occassionally he will create his own shot. what I didn't see was Critt creating for others.

I am not saying Critt can't create for others, all am saying is that the comparison at this point is invalid, undebutable and moot.

Critt can create for others better than farmar because he is a FAR BETTER BALL HANDLER. Also, Critt rarely gets to play with Kobe and Andrew Bynum whereas farmar usually gets to play with the strongest group of players on the team. It's a lot more difficult to create for Vladimir, Kwame, and luke when they're not known to be finishers. I don't see farmar create all that much for others, he can't break people off the dribble. Just watch his Isolation game when the shot clock is running down. Critt will be that player that gets the ball at the end of quarters other than Kobe. Critt is a better on-ball defender, but like young Andrew Bynum was in his first and second year, he doesn't show intensity as Farmar does. At the end of the day, I feel the lakers will trade Farmar and Not Critt. Critt is the typical combo guard the Phil Jackson has been known to prefer and love. It's not like Farmar is a veteran, Critt is younger by a year or two.

I think as he becomes more mature, he'll learn that a few of his flashy moves are unnecessary. But I will say this....If the lakers do trade Critt, all you farmar supports will eventually regret it. if Critt is traded, depending on what is

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Critt can create for others better than farmar because he is a FAR BETTER BALL HANDLER. Also, Critt rarely gets to play with Kobe and Andrew Bynum whereas farmar usually gets to play with the strongest group of players on the team. It's a lot more difficult to create for Vladimir, Kwame, and luke when they're not known to be finishers. I don't see farmar create all that much for others, he can't break people off the dribble. Just watch his Isolation game when the shot clock is running down. Critt will be that player the gets the ball at the end of quarters other than Kobe. Critt is a better on-ball defender, but like young Andrew Bynum was in his first and second year, he doesn't show intensity as Farmar does. At the end of the day, I feel the lakers will trade Farmar and Not Critt. Critt is the typical combo guard the Phil Jackson has been known to prefer and love. It's not like Farmar is a veteran, Critt is younger by a year or two.

I think as he becomes more mature, he'll learn that a few pf his flashy moves are unnecessary. But I will say this....If the lakers do trade Critt, all you farmar supports will eventually regret it. if Critt is traded, depending on what is

I am actually not comparing the two because they play differently. I could get into who does what better, but that is not my point. my point is that from what I have seen, Critt plays more of a shooting guard style than point guard, while Farmar plays strictly like a point guard. and like I said before Critt needs more playing time to define himself in the team and Farmar plays more like what we were crying we needed last year.

[Slava]

snaq, you haven't watched Critt in the summer league. He was by far the best PG playing at that time, even outshining prospects like Mike Conley and he did rake up some big assist numbers with his 20 PPG. Farmar struggled to keep pace but once the season started, Farmar started out with such great confidence that he started taking 3s off the dribble ala Kobe at one point in time.

[Tommy Trojan]

snaq, you haven't watched Critt in the summer league. He was by far the best PG playing at that time, even outshining prospects like Mike Conley and he did rake up some big assist numbers with his 20 PPG. Farmar struggled to keep pace but once the season started, Farmar started out with such great confidence that he started taking 3s off the dribble ala Kobe at one point in time.

Yeah summer league Farmar got owned. Critt was way better in almost everything. But, now it's the regular season and Farmar as done an outstanding job, hands down.

[snaquille oatmeal]

true, but now you are comparing the summer league with the NBA.
from what I read Farmar and Bynum didn't have a great outing in the summer league and look at them now.

what is next Coby Karl being the clutch player of the year because he scored two points in the last minute of garbage time in an NBA game and owned the D-league in the same month.

[Slava]

true, but now you are comparing the summer league with the NBA.
from what I read Farmar and Bynum didn't have a great outing in the summer league and look at them now.

I wasn't comparing that performance but I rather meant that Critt played like a true point when he had extended minutes and IIRC Phil played Critt at point even when Farmar was in the game at times.

[snaquille oatmeal]

so let's just agree that Critt needs more playing time to define himself within the team.

[Slava]

so let's just agree that Critt needs more playing time to define himself within the team.

That and he's rarely played when Kobe or Bynum is in so that might explain why he looks to score more.

[kno]

I dont think there is anyone on the planet questioning Java's potential, but saying he is flat out better than Farmar based on 19 minutes of play.

THere's no question i'd play him over Sasha (not because of 19 measly minutes against one of the worst teams in the league, but because of Sasha's raw suckage), but its a different question when comparing him to Farmar right now.

[chefy]

I think farmar is a better defender than critt but critt is still young and hes quick so hopefully his d will improve, but I think critt is a better playmaker than farmar,farmar dribbles too much that often results to shot clock violation, and I dont like the idea of making critt play sg,,, critt is a pure pg that can penetrate to the basket and score if needed like chris paul, imagine if you have bynum and critt at the floor at the same time critt can penetrate and dish is to bynum for an easy dunk

but the way phil is playing critt i think were gonna trade him,
hopefully we dont

[kno]

So now we're comparing Critt's skills to that of Chris Paul?

[Gerald3Wallace]

farmar is not a pass first point guard

none of our point guards is.

but ya...u guys already know who i would pick (JC)...critt is a SG..but he can play the PG just as good as Farmar can...

5 years from now..i think the only players on our team that would be capable of dropping 20 a game is Bynum, JC, and kobe..bt i doubt all three would average 20 for the season..maybe kobe and bynum for sure..and critt can put up the 15-17pts if he plays starter minutes.

[Gerald3Wallace]

scrath that...why wont we keep both? and ship out our scrubs? (sasha,brown,vlad...and maybe luke, hes playing like a scrub this year)

farmar--13/3/4
critt--15/4/5
kobe--22/6/7
??
bynum--20/12/3blk

the stats being 4 years from now

[garcia3]

Now I have said all year that Critt was the steal of the draft and I actually got made fun of it here because I was here so happy draft day. Couldn't really compare the 2 because Critt ride the pine so long but today he finally should he could play. 1 Game might not be enough for this thread to really take off yet but I am putting it out there anyway.

Critt is there man of the future. They could very easily put Kobe at the 3 and Critt at the 2 but somehow I doubt they will.

Ok up until this point your post was aiight, but then...

This is why I feel they should trade Kwame for a player and throw in Luke and Farmar because those guys have value plus the expiring and with Ariza there and Critt we will be fine plus there will be a baller coming in.

Oh man hahahahahhahahahaha!!

Anyway back to the topic, I think Farmar will be a very nice player. A 15 5 guy with 2 steals a game.
I think Critt could easily become a 17-20 point a game allstar with 8 assists. I think Critt and Bynum should both be untradable and them to together will unsure the Lakers are always relevent and even now they will be great. They are not 17 year old kids. They can play now.

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Critt has better d then Farmar plus is bigger and way more atheltic. Farmar seems like he could be a second go to guy in his peak where Critt could lead a team like a Deron Williams can. I think we are talking the difference between a guy like Felton and Paul. Those guys are analogies, I don't think like they play like each other I mean Critt is like a Paul and Farmar is like a Felton.

omfg!!!!! loooooooooooooooooooooooool

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This question could be relevent to the debate here. Can they all stay Lakers? DFisher even though he seems to be having his best year here now but he is 33 and in a year or 2 he might want to only play 10 minutes a game or something. Lets say we start Critt and Kobe in the backcourt (I can't wait) we could have Farmar coming off the bench and also if lets say we send out our sf first we could still have Farmar off the bench first and go with a 3 guard lineup of Farmar-Kobe-Critt.
They just need to get rid of Sasha so Phil doesn't play him over Critt.

I am really pleased with Fisher but if he hadn't come we would be having Farmar as a starter and Critt would get about 30 mins plus or would have stolen the starting job.

Oh man, we love you Star

[The Laker Kid]

star24, I know you absolutely HATE Kwame Brown, but you have to realize the fact that Kwame is way more valuable than Javaris. Sure, Javaris has shown "flashes" of potential, however it's only ONE GAME... and against a lowly Philadelphia 76ers at that.

Javaris is a scrub and will stay a scrub for at least a while. Once he start to show GOOD basketball fundamentals against playoff-bound teams, then we'll talk.