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Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:03 pm
by HadAnEffectHere
Riley, uhhhhh, seemed to burn every bridge with Jimmy Butler just now and implied that they wouldn't extend Butler unless he played more games and I'm guessing Jimmy will demand a trade fairly soon.
So, ummmm, guess that's the end of the era most likely. What is his trade value?
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:12 pm
by Texas Chuck
Riley also said they weren't trading him. Why ignore that part?
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:14 pm
by HadAnEffectHere
Texas Chuck wrote:Riley also said they weren't trading him. Why ignore that part?
Because Butler is the most infamously toxic player possible when demanding trades.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:16 pm
by giberish
He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:27 pm
by Godaddycurse
Randle + bogdanovic + pick(s) for butler?
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:36 pm
by Texas Chuck
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Riley also said they weren't trading him. Why ignore that part?
Because Butler is the most infamously toxic player possible when demanding trades.
Yeah this extreme POV you feel the need to express in literally every thread makes it hard to take any of it seriously. Everything is the worst, the most, the best.
Maybe dial down some of the rhetoric?
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:36 pm
by jayjaysee
giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I feel like Presti would “set the market” at Miami first, another first or two, and a prospect assuming Butler would play without an extension. One year of Jimmy is worth that to OKC imo. And if he happens to opt into his player option, even better. And you trade Giddey and stay under the tax while having the best team in the league for two years..
If Jimmy is just wanting a team to near max him through 2028 or so.. Yeah, OKC might be better sitting out..
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:39 pm
by BBallFreak
giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I like Kuminga but taking Wiggins is a bitter pill to swallow. It's intriguing but not my first choice. Feels light.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:41 pm
by jbk1234
The rationale that it's okay to commit a max slot to an older player who misses a lot of regular season games because he's worth the money in the playoffs, which was attenuated to begin with, kind of falls apart when that same older player also starts missing playoff games.
I don't understand why Masai and Riley are publicly confirming that they don't think their star player is worth the money they're seeking though. An impasse followed by a trade is the most likely result and you're not exactly pumping up their trade value by doing this.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:44 pm
by jbk1234
Texas Chuck wrote:Riley also said they weren't trading him. Why ignore that part?
There's reason to be a little skeptical of that part. He certainly invited offers by going public.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:54 pm
by Texas Chuck
jbk1234 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Riley also said they weren't trading him. Why ignore that part?
There's reason to be a little skeptical of that part. He certainly invited offers by going public.
I'm not telling anyone which part of Riley to take as fact, what as message sending, whatever. But if we are going to start a thread based on his press conference, we should provide all of the information and let each person make up their own mind.
Instead of intentionally creating the Mountain Dew Spicy Doritos Hot Take version.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 7:17 pm
by gswhoops
BBallFreak wrote:giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I like Kuminga but taking Wiggins is a bitter pill to swallow. It's intriguing but not my first choice. Feels light.
We could conceivably offer CP3 in Wiggins’ place but then we’d probably need to find a third team to dump Wiggins on to keep the long term cap situation from getting totally out of control.
I like the concept though. Go all-in for 2 years with a Steph/Klay/Jimmy/Dray core and then re-assess when Steph and Jimmy expire after 2026
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 7:22 pm
by Texas Chuck
gswhoops wrote:I like the concept though.
Can't believe you'd rather have Butler than Beal.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 7:28 pm
by hugepatsfan
On the whole narrative that he saves himself in the regular season and then turns it on in the playoffs... Jimmy Butler has played 64 playoff games with the Heat. In 20 of them, he's shot 40% from the floor or worse. He's missed 7 games as well.
The Heat don't have the same target on their back with the media as other deep playoff teams. They always get looked at as the little engine that could rather than dealing with burden and scrutiny of expectations. So Jimmy Butler gets the luxury of only being looked at for his great moments. He gets all the love for that, but it's ignored how one third of the time he either isn't available for his team or he shoots like crap.
Not trying to discredit that he's a great player. Just discredit the false narrative that he's a championship caliber #1 offensive player. His resume doesn't actually speak to that if you look deeper than the highlights of it. So for Miami, I think it gets tougher to justify super max contracts for non first option 35 year olds when the rest of the roster isn't enough to elevate the talent level to championship caliber.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 7:43 pm
by brackdan70
He’s worth a good player (starter), salary ballast and a couple slightly protected picks at this point I would say. Turning 35 and struggling with staying on the court I could see teams being unwilling to pay that price though.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 8:03 pm
by jbk1234
jayjaysee wrote:giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I feel like Presti would “set the market” at Miami first, another first or two, and a prospect assuming Butler would play without an extension. One year of Jimmy is worth that to OKC imo. And if he happens to opt into his player option, even better. And you trade Giddey and stay under the tax while having the best team in the league for two years..
If Jimmy is just wanting a team to near max him through 2028 or so.. Yeah, OKC might be better sitting out..
The fundamental question is whether he'll be okay, not great, but okay with a team trading for him on a wait and see approach with regard to an extension. If not, you move him at ahead of the deadline where it quickly becomes in his interest to make the best of the situation.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 8:07 pm
by jayjaysee
gswhoops wrote:BBallFreak wrote:giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I like Kuminga but taking Wiggins is a bitter pill to swallow. It's intriguing but not my first choice. Feels light.
We could conceivably offer CP3 in Wiggins’ place but then we’d probably need to find a third team to dump Wiggins on to keep the long term cap situation from getting totally out of control.
I like the concept though. Go all-in for 2 years with a Steph/Klay/Jimmy/Dray core and then re-assess when Steph and Jimmy expire after 2026
Would Golden State be able to fit Butler and Maxi under the second apron? I think they would? If Dallas pays to dump THJ on a third team?
I still really want Wiggins in Dallas*
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 8:09 pm
by giberish
BBallFreak wrote:giberish wrote:He's one of the few guys it would make sense for GS to try for. Too old for OKC and other real asset-rich teams to go for.
Basic Wiggins/Kunminga/25 1st/27 1st offer (assuming they trust his health enough for the next year or two). Philly could offer a lot more salary relief but less positive assets, LAL could come up with similar value (depending on valuation of various players involved and preference for sooner or later picks).
I like Kuminga but taking Wiggins is a bitter pill to swallow. It's intriguing but not my first choice. Feels light.
Given Jimmys age and health I'd imagine that all offers would feel a bit light one way or another.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 9:46 pm
by gswhoops
jayjaysee wrote:gswhoops wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I like Kuminga but taking Wiggins is a bitter pill to swallow. It's intriguing but not my first choice. Feels light.
We could conceivably offer CP3 in Wiggins’ place but then we’d probably need to find a third team to dump Wiggins on to keep the long term cap situation from getting totally out of control.
I like the concept though. Go all-in for 2 years with a Steph/Klay/Jimmy/Dray core and then re-assess when Steph and Jimmy expire after 2026
Would Golden State be able to fit Butler and Maxi under the second apron? I think they would? If Dallas pays to dump THJ on a third team?
I still really want Wiggins in Dallas*
I think we would be able to make that work. We'd be at $160M with Jimmy and Maxi (minus CP3/Wiggins/JK/GP2) so we could conceivably still re-sign Klay and fill out the rest of the roster. We could also stretch waive Looney and save another ~$6M if need be.
(Loon) / TJD
Draymond / Maxi / Santos
Butler
Klay / Moody
Curry / Podz
A couple vet mins and you're all set.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade value
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 10:12 pm
by babyjax13
Butler + ??? for Mitchell if he asks out?