Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[twix2500]

Lowry is averaging 6 to 1 in Ast to Turnover the last two games. That is amazing. Not sure what's how much less he is handling the ball in the 4th

Lowry is also doing a lot less handling, and playing way more off ball, he just the de-facto get it across the half court line give it to one of Herro, Jimmy, Bam. That doesn't take away from his 6 to 1 ratio, other than he is being very selective when he gets to initiate and also when defenses are tightest in the fourth where your prone to making turn overs, he isn't handling as much.

Tru and that started last year early last yr and reverted back into his hands more late in games. It appears for the past yrs outside of Lowry 1st yr, Spo been wanting to see Herro handle the ball if its not Butler or Bam. But who handling the ball in the forth appears to be the direct impact on the Heat 4th quarter success.

I am for letting Lowry be a point guard ESPECIALLY in the 4th. But Spo has other plans.

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[twix2500]

A player I would like the Heat to target that would be really an under the radar move is for Kris Dunn. He hasn't gotten much of an opportunity this yr because contract obligations and rookies. But I think he would be an low cost great move like how the Heat got Nunn. But its the Danny Ainge factor that would block it.

He is a similar player type to Oladipo.

https://youtu.be/GurnpfSY9r0?si=oAWB9OkE6CJkuVJK

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry is trash. I’d post Greg’s recent tweets of his ranks among PGs for several different stats but I can’t find the tweet link anymore and it looks like they may have been disabled?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Glad to see we’ve retained Haslem for another year for the role he’s been in for the last 7 years or so

[twix2500]

Lowry is trash. I’d post Greg’s recent tweets of his ranks among PGs for several different stats but I can’t find the tweet link anymore and it looks like they may have been disabled?!

Doesn't matter where he ranks. Its about what works and not working. Heat needs someone to distribute the ball and reduce turnover and they have Lowry who is with limited touches has a 6 to 1 asst turnver ratio. Pretty much through the 1st three quarters of the past 2 games. Lowry is now a role player. It doesn't matter where he ranks at his position, it matters how he compliments the roster ie the Heats top three.

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[AirP.]

Lowry is trash. I’d post Greg’s recent tweets of his ranks among PGs for several different stats but I can’t find the tweet link anymore and it looks like they may have been disabled?!

He was a net 0 in calculated ORTG-DRTG last year and is at a -1 this year. He may not be putting up stats that people want but on this team he's not a positive or a negative type player (which could be a positive or negative based on who's behind him) last year or this year, people are way too hung up on him being a bad value on his contract, until he's traded, or his contract expires, he's just a filler type player and that's better than a negative overall player.

As other Heat player's games improve through the year, maybe they bypass Lowry where he goes to the bench since it seems Spoelstra likes having a shooter more than a playmaker at PG.

[twix2500]

Lowry is trash. I’d post Greg’s recent tweets of his ranks among PGs for several different stats but I can’t find the tweet link anymore and it looks like they may have been disabled?!

He was a net 0 in calculated ORTG-DRTG last year and is at a -1 this year. He may not be putting up stats that people want but on this team he's not a positive or a negative type player last year or this year, people are way too hung up on him being a bad value on his contract, until he's traded, or his contract expires, he's just a filler type player and that's better than a negative overall player.

As other Heat player's games improve through the year, maybe they bypass Lowry where he goes to the bench since it seems Spoelstra likes having a shooter more than a playmaker at PG.

Its about how he is being used

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[AirP.]

Lowry is trash. I’d post Greg’s recent tweets of his ranks among PGs for several different stats but I can’t find the tweet link anymore and it looks like they may have been disabled?!

He was a net 0 in calculated ORTG-DRTG last year and is at a -1 this year. He may not be putting up stats that people want but on this team he's not a positive or a negative type player last year or this year, people are way too hung up on him being a bad value on his contract, until he's traded, or his contract expires, he's just a filler type player and that's better than a negative overall player.

As other Heat player's games improve through the year, maybe they bypass Lowry where he goes to the bench since it seems Spoelstra likes having a shooter more than a playmaker at PG.

Its about how he is being used

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Well, that too, my point is that he's not as bad as people think he is although he's very different than the other PGs we've seen the last few years in Dragic, Nunn and Vincent, those guys wanted to score first.

[twix2500]

He was a net 0 in calculated ORTG-DRTG last year and is at a -1 this year. He may not be putting up stats that people want but on this team he's not a positive or a negative type player last year or this year, people are way too hung up on him being a bad value on his contract, until he's traded, or his contract expires, he's just a filler type player and that's better than a negative overall player.

As other Heat player's games improve through the year, maybe they bypass Lowry where he goes to the bench since it seems Spoelstra likes having a shooter more than a playmaker at PG.

Its about how he is being used

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Well, that too, my point is that he's not as bad as people think he is although he's very different than the other PGs we've seen the last few years in Dragic, Nunn and Vincent, those guys wanted to score first.

Because non of those guys were point guards just small shooting guards. Even Dragic his best usage is being a SG. He was always best paired up with a better ball handler ie Wade and Waiters

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[al bondiga]

Can somebody here tell me
Why the heat hasn't played Orlando Robinson more?

I think he is exactly What spo
Wants in a big player.

????????????

[HeatFan_NC]

The last two games where the Heat truly ran offense and got 2 consecutive wins

OffRtg 113.9, Def 110.0, Pace 100.5
TO per game 19.5

2022-23 Season
OffRtg 112.3, DefRtg 112.8, Pace 96.7
TO per game 13.5

The past two games individual performance

Tyler Herro, 23.0 pts, 18.5 fga, 35% 3fg%, 7 ast, 7.5 rbs, 4.5 TO
Bam Adebayo, 20.0 pts 17.5 fga, 12 rbs, 7.0 ast, 4.0 TO
Jimmy Butler, 24.0 pts, 13 fga, 66.7 3fg%, 4 ast, 5.5 rbs, 2.0 TO
Duncan Robinson, 15.0 pts, 11 fga, 54.3 3fg%, 4.5 ast, 1.5 TO
Jaime Jaquez Jr, 9.0 pts, 6 fga, 20 3fg%, 3.5 rbs, 0.5 TO
Haywood Highsmith, 6.5 pts, 5.0 fga, 37.5 3fg%, 1 TO
Kyle Lowry, 4 pts 1.5 fga, 22.2 3fg%, 6.0 ast, 1 TO
Josh Richardson, 6.0 pts, 4.0 fga, 50 3fg%, 2.5 ast, 1.5 TO
Thomas Bryant, 6.5 pts, 4 fga, 4.0 rbs, 1.5 TO


Spo has run a 9 man rotation the past 2 games



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The past two games the Heat are averaging 9 TOs in the 4th quarter alone. Likely the greatest factor in their poor defensive ratings.

Herro is leading the team in 4th quarter TOs with 2 per game. Followed by Bam at 1.5.

Kyle Lowry is averaging 0 TOs in the 4th quarter the past two games.

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We need a PG who can stabilize the offense in the 4Q and not turn the ball over. The best person for this job on our roster would be Lowry. Herro or Bam don't need to be handling the ball in closing moments of tight games.

[HeatFan_NC]

Can somebody here tell me
Why the heat hasn't played Orlando Robinson more?

I think he is exactly What spo
Wants in a big player.

????????????

I don't think we need him out there unless Bam or Bryant gets hurt.

[HeatFan_NC]

Glad to see we’ve retained Haslem for another year for the role he’s been in for the last 7 years or so

It was fun hearing him do some color commentary during the game last night

[twix2500]

Can somebody here tell me
Why the heat hasn't played Orlando Robinson more?

I think he is exactly What spo
Wants in a big player.

????????????

9 man rotation. The team star is a center, no mins to play 3 centers.

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[contract]

Does anyone know why there aren't any NBA games tonight?

[Atm365]

Does anyone know why there aren't any NBA games tonight?

Election Day

[contract]

Does anyone know why there aren't any NBA games tonight?

Election Day

Thanks! I'm surprised they care since most everyone would have voted by tip off.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry is a literal waste of a roster spot, he is NEVER a threat. Teams don’t even have to pay attention to him. The PG position is a massive hole and we will win nothing with that being the case. He puts not pressure on a defense, he doesn’t facilitate well because he can’t attack and put rim pressure are draw in defenders. He makes no one’s life easier

[marson]

Lowry is a literal waste of a roster spot, he is NEVER a threat. Teams don’t even have to pay attention to him. The PG position is a massive hole and we will win nothing with that being the case. He puts not pressure on a defense, he doesn’t facilitate well because he can’t attack and put rim pressure are draw in defenders. He makes no one’s life easier

Can throw the outlet pass though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is currently a top 15 3 point shooter in the league at 50%, what a development.