BlacJacMac wrote:winforlose wrote:Nick K wrote:
Yep. Let's not forget that just getting rid of Dlo was great all by itself. Then we get Conley and NAW. Greatest trade in Wolves history!!!
When we traded Rudy everybody complained we gave up too much. I'm not convinced 1st rd picks in the mid to late 20's are super valuable. Vando and Beasley was no big loss and Kessler hurt some but he wouldn't get many minutes with Rudy here anyway.
Agree with everything but V8. Keeping Kessler and giving up V8 would be one thing. But losing V8 as a throw in SUCKED. He is an elite defender, an elite offensive rebounder, and as valuable or more valuable than Kyle this year. He would easily have had minutes in this rotation and we would be better for it.
P.S Kessler would 100% get 10-15 minutes or more per game from his rookie year onward. Naz would play the 4 exclusively and you would have 48 minutes of solid rim protection.
I don't mind losing Vando. He's such a specialized player. He's an energy/chaos guy. On defense, he can't guard big forwards without getting ragdolled and he's not a help/weakside defender. He's just a guy you can stick on a wing to slow him down, but he really doesn't fit well into actual defensive schemes.
On offense, he routinely gets played off the floor. Plus he has a long history of injuries going back to college.
I wouldn't mind having him as a fringe rotation guy that you could call on for specific match-ups, but I sure don't want to be the team paying him 48M over the next 4 years to do that.
Sorry, but i disagree. You saw him guard Mike this year, he did more than slow him down. On offense he hit 8 3s this year on 27 attempts. By comparison Kyle made 7 of 31. Kyle averages 3.5 rebounds per game, Vando averages 4.8. V8 took half as many shots but averaged 51.8% of them, compared to Kyle’s 47.2%. I think V8 could have handled more on both sides of the ball than you think he could.
I agree that V8 had bad luck with injuries this year, but for his career I think he has been fairly healthy. Appearing in 78 games last year, 74 the year before, and 64 the year before. Before that he wasn’t always a rotation guy, but he was mostly available in the 20-21 season.
Do I want V8 making as much as he is, not especially relative to his value. But the Lakers understood his value enough to pay him what it took to keep him. V8 wouldn’t have been Fringe, he would have been backing up MCD and we would have even better defense (if that was possible,) not to mention better depth. But, he couldn’t and shouldn’t play with Gobert, much less with Kyle. I admit it would have created specialized rotations and that could get complicated.
