Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2024 9:21 pm
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Eatgreenz wrote:really interested who we bring as the new coach. Would love to get our version of Spo. 10+ yr high level coaching
Stone wrote:Can we get some clarification on where we are at with the cap, the luxury tax and the aprons?
Chuck S, I know you are knowledgeable with the salary stuff...
vincecarter4pres wrote:Eatgreenz wrote:really interested who we bring as the new coach. Would love to get our version of Spo. 10+ yr high level coaching
Karate Diop wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Eatgreenz wrote:really interested who we bring as the new coach. Would love to get our version of Spo. 10+ yr high level coaching
I actually think Bud would be a great get. The team needs someone who will demand discipline and shape good habits.
I wouldn't be excited to see how he meshes with Cam Thomas but, at this point I don't even know if Cam Thomas is really part of the long term core...
vincecarter4pres wrote:If a Mitchell trade actually happens in the offseason, what do we really think it looks like?
Imagining something like:
Cam Thomas
Jalen Wilson
DFS
Ben Simmons
‘25 Brooklyn/Houston 1st - Worse of
‘27 Philly 1st(top 8 protected through ‘28, then 2nd)
‘27 Phoenix 1st
‘29 Phoenix/Dallas/Brooklyn 1st - Best of
2 2nds
For
Donovan Mitchell
Caris LeVert
Dean Wade or Georges Niang
Can also see it being the above but with these changes:
‘25 Brooklyn/Houston/Phoenix 1st - Best of
‘29 Brooklyn/Dallas/Phoenix 1st - Middle one
Dangun wrote:Are we doing the trade CamT again
vincecarter4pres wrote:Dangun wrote:Are we doing the trade CamT again
vincecarter4pres wrote:Now hear me out, this is going to be a bit long…
This summer is probably the one to get all NBA 2K with the trades and Marks working some magic and manipulating the cap to our advantage.
A series of trades, followed by signings and re-signings.
Trade 1
Brooklyn sends:
Cam Thomas
Cam Johnson
Day’ron Sharpe
Dariq Whitehead
Bunch of 1st round picks
Bunch of 2nd round picks
Cleveland sends:
Donovan Mitchell
Would love to see this expanded with a DFS for Caris swap, don’t know Cleveland would be amendable.
Sadly, can definitely see Dariq Whitehead as a Cleveland demand/requirement here.
I don’t think we need to go into this too much. If Spida won’t commit to the Cavs, very good chance they move him ASAP. In that scenario he will have a short list, we are rumored to be atop said preferences, and even dealing only half the first round draft picks at our disposal and including only a couple young guys, we should have far and away the healthiest offer out of any realistic destinations.
Same thoughts as the follow up trade, if Cleveland wants to remain a contender, they can divert some or all of the picks, prospects and players, even add some of their own, to attempt landing a star to add to Garland and Allen and/or Mobley.
Yes there is certainly their own pick equity from the original acquisition of Donny from Utah hanging over their heads if they remain put with a direct trade with Brooklyn(or any of the offers they get from teams on his list), but almost literally ever important core player on their roster is 26 or younger, extended at a super fair number, or will be restricted when they hit free agency.
Their time is not only now, it’s the future as well, especially if they can remain in that 38-48 win range post trade, yet still have some combination of PHO/DAL/PHI/CLE picks coming in spread over years. They can take a swing at the next big name out there in a year or two through trade, or hope those picks wind-up lotto, and draft a kid they love for the long term as a cornerstone piece.
Trade #2
Brooklyn sends:
Dennis Schröder or DFS
Jalen Wilson
Ben Simmons
Bunch of 1st round picks
Bunch of 2nd round picks
Minnesota sends:
KAT
Mike Conley
Rumors are there will be salary cutting and attempts to change up the fit with KAT and Gobert. If this deal went down, methinks they want Schröder if Conley is outgoing. This opens things up for them significantly going forward, cap and tax-wise, while getting them an asset rich return, a play-from-day-one young guy with a starter level ceiling, and a starting level point guard who they can try and re-sign summer of ‘25, or take even further salary savings letting him walk.
They want to remain in contention, like Cleveland, which they are damn close to with KAT out of the lineup as is, but this could very likely open up to a three or four team deal as well, with all or some of the picks going elsewhere for a player they covet.
Regardless this opens up enormous flexibility for the Wolves and their tumultuous ownership and cap situation, while bringing back proper assets, for a player who brings polarizing opinions on his value, and more importantly, on court impact.
This is mainly due to his needing to be a center on both offense and defense to cause proper mismatches, but not anchoring a defense like a center should. He’s hard to simultaneously take advantage of his offensive prowess, but pair him with another front court big that not only helps mask his defensive deficiencies, but allows his team as a whole to have a top level defense. Enter Nic Claxton.
Re-signing Clax
After these two trades we’re left with the following cap numbers:
Donovan Mitchell - $35.4
KAT - $49.3
Mike Conley Jr - $10
Mikal Bridges - $23.3
DFS - $15
Clowney - $3.2
Whitehead - $3.2
Claxton’s cap hold - $16.6
Empty cap holds - $4.6
$160.6 million total.
Assuming one FA signed removes a cap hold, essentially $159.4 million.
Estimated luxury tax should start around $175 iirc.
You can use the full Non-taxpayer’s MLE as long as you didn’t dip below the cap, nor will go above the first apron after all signings in the summer.
Even if Clax full salary and not his cap hold is instituted, he would probably start around $24 mill with full escalations, probably a 5 year deal where his agent negotiates a ETO in year 4 or 5.
That would put us at $167 mill.
MLE is about $13 mill starting and tax apron will be at least in the mid $180’s.
These numbers are with Whitehead still on the roster. Chances are he’ll be Cleveland bound, making it even easier to re-sign Clax and still have the full MLE at our disposal. In fact, depending on the tax and first apron, possibly even able to use the Bi-Annual exception as well, or hold Walker or Watford and re-sign one of them.
MLE Targets:
These players are likely the type available for that type of coin. Feel free to add anybody interesting I’m forgetting:
Tobias Harris
Buddy Hield
Bruce Brown
Gary Trent Jr
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Jonas Valanciunas
Malik Beasley
Royce O’Neale
Malik Monk
Luke Kennard
PJ Tucker
Eric Gordon
Grayson Allen
Obi Toppin
Kevin Love
Derrick Jones Jr
Spencer Dinwiddie
Tyus Jones
Moritz Wagner
Talen Horton-Tucker
Alec Burks
Lots of options.
Then a vet min ring chaser or two, and a patented Nets scouting department G League or overseas minimum pickup.
Things could be really interesting.
Eatgreenz wrote:This is why some of us never worried about 1 lost season. The summer is setting up nicely