OT: Atleast 127 killed after riot at football match

[One Last Shot]

This is one of the most devastating event and 2nd most casualties in sports history. I just found out that in 1964, same thing happen in Peru with more than 300 killed. Same sports. Maybe football fans are really passionate about the game.

www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/breaking-indonesia-fans-dead-riot-28132714.amp

[TheLand13]

The ****?

[Nate505]

Yikes.

Like even in terms of sports violence, this seems like something else was at play. Was everyone trampled to death, or was the gas the police fired that bad?

[JDR720]

Indonesia soccer culture is nuts. Supporter groups regularly attack each other.

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[Pelon chingon]

What the fudge! That's freakin tragic and a terrible way to go.

[Nuntius]

So, based on the article in the OP (and obviously assuming that their reporting is accurate) this is what happened:

- Fans of the home team stormed the pitch after their team lost.

- The police pushed them back into the stands, hitting some with their batons and kicking others.

- Tear gas was launched on the pitch and into the stands as the situation escalated.

- Fans struggled to find refuge and many have subsequently lost their lives after falling to the ground or being trampled on.

- Local media outlet Kompas claims the tear gas did not disperse, leading to shortness of breath and loss of consciousness.

Based on all that, this was not a situation were fans of opposing teams came to blows. This looks to be between and the fans and the police and, sadly, it seems that the police escalated that situation by throwing tear gas into the stands. Doing that is incredibly dangerous. The stands are not a flat surface. If you cannot see due to the tear gas then you can easily trip, fall and get crushed. It also causes panic and panic in such an environment can easily cause stampedes. We have seen that happen in the past in similar events in stadiums (the Karaiskakis Stadium disaster always come to mind when I read about stuff like that but that's definitely because I'm Greek and I grew up hearing about that particular tragedy).

The fact that the tear gas did not disperse could mean that they were expired. I have seen police forces use expired tear gas pretty often in my neck of the woods so it wouldn't shock me if that was the case here. This seems like an extremely sad situation that could have been avoided. I hope that the families of the victims are able to find peace. Rest in peace

[Blame Rasho]

I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.

[axeman23]

Yikes.

Like even in terms of sports violence, this seems like something else was at play. Was everyone trampled to death, or was the gas the police fired that bad?

Yeah, seems a little short on detail, even after reading the article. From the headline i was thinking a bunch of people must've been shot/stabbed/murdered in another way. But it SOUNDS like: fans of the losing team stormed the pitch; police responded; it got out of hand and teargas was deployed; then maybe a stampede is responsible for most of the deaths? Tragic no matter which way you look at it, ESPECIALLY with children involved! Also agree the hostility must have been about more than a football game...

[Nuntius]

I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.

It is an absolutely massive country. It is the 14th biggest country by land area (bigger than Iran, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Pakistan, almost as big as Turkey, France and Spain combined) and the 4th most populous country in the world (behind China, India and the US). It spans almost the entire area from the Malay Peninsula to Australia. It is also an incredibly diverse country, especially linguistically.

[Johnny Bball]

I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.

It is an absolutely massive country. It is the 14th biggest country by land area (bigger than Iran, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Pakistan, almost as big as Turkey, France and Spain combined) and the 4th most populous country in the world (behind China, India and the US). It spans almost the entire area from the Malay Peninsula to Australia. It is also an incredibly diverse country, especially linguistically.

Corruption is rife across Indonesia in every facet of life. The government wrongfully imprisoned an old acquaintance of mine for years and I would not set foot there. People do not understand the place and think it's just wild fun and spring break in Bali and don't understand what the dangers are.

[Nuntius]

I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.

It is an absolutely massive country. It is the 14th biggest country by land area (bigger than Iran, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Pakistan, almost as big as Turkey, France and Spain combined) and the 4th most populous country in the world (behind China, India and the US). It spans almost the entire area from the Malay Peninsula to Australia. It is also an incredibly diverse country, especially linguistically.

Corruption is rife across Indonesia in every facet of life. The government wrongfully imprisoned an old acquaintance of mine for years and I would not set foot there. People do not understand the place and think it's just wild fun and spring break in Bali and don't understand what the dangers are.

Yeah, that wouldn't shock me at all. I don't know about Indonesia's internal affairs to make any kind of determination on how widespread corruption is over there but I do generally assume that every country suffers a lot from it.

[Blame Rasho]

Most people “don’t know” how big of a country Indonesia is.

[Nuntius]

Most people “don’t know” how big of a country Indonesia is.

Yeah, I got that. I was just expanding on that part of the post.

[BlackThought]

From what I read those deaths have less to do with the riot (as in people fighting each other) but rather due to chaos after the police fired tear gas.

Large gatherings are dangerous especially in places that aren't properly designed to handle such crowds.

[Nuntius]

From what I read those deaths have less to do with the riot (as in people fighting each other) but rather due to chaos after the police fired tear gas.

Yep. There was some fighting between fans and the police (but no fighting between fans since fans of the visiting team weren't allowed in the stadium, only fans of the home team were there) but it does look like the majority of the deaths were the result of the police firing tear gas into the stands and causing panic.

[Nate505]

So according to the police in Indonesia, it was due to people getting trampled to death, presumably to escape the tear gas.

I cannot stress enough how idiotic it is to launch tear gas into a crowd that has very few escape routes. That is such law enforcement malpractice that the cops are either sadistic, or more likely, untrained and extremely scared to the point where they felt it was the only option they had.

The morons who ran onto the field shouldn't be getting any passes here either. Stay the **** in the stands.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/127-soccer-fans-police-killed-indonesias-soccer-match-90848411

[Nuntius]

I cannot stress enough how idiotic it is to launch tear gas into a crowd that has very few escape routes. That is such law enforcement malpractice that the cops are either sadistic, or more likely, untrained and extremely scared to the point where they felt it was the only option they had.

100%. This should be obvious to everyone. Once the police threw tear gas into the stands, the only possible outcome was tragedy.

[basketballwacko2]

This is one of the most devastating event and 2nd most casualties in sports history. I just found out that in 1964, same thing happen in Peru with more than 300 killed. Same sports. Maybe football fans are really passionate about the game.

www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/breaking-indonesia-fans-dead-riot-28132714.amp

Nothing like this has ever happened at an American "Football" game.

[IAMZOOTED2]

I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.

It is an absolutely massive country. It is the 14th biggest country by land area (bigger than Iran, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Pakistan, almost as big as Turkey, France and Spain combined) and the 4th most populous country in the world (behind China, India and the US). It spans almost the entire area from the Malay Peninsula to Australia. It is also an incredibly diverse country, especially linguistically.

Corruption is rife across Indonesia in every facet of life. The government wrongfully imprisoned an old acquaintance of mine for years and I would not set foot there. People do not understand the place and think it's just wild fun and spring break in Bali and don't understand what the dangers are.

THIS. Indo has epic waves, but tragically the government is about as stable a rock-balanced or stone-stacked structure. Totally sketchy and volatile af. Also one of the most beautiful countries in the world tho

[nfmos]

Even though it definitely sounds like this situation is due to the police actions, people should really look at that video that was posted above regarding violence in that league. There had been multiple occasions of fans violence and deaths over the years in that league, and many of the fans would try to prevent news cameras from seeing what what really going on because they were worried that the league would be shut down. I wouldnt doubt that some witnesses might be trying to put their own spin on the deaths to point the blame directly at the police, but overall its a complete mess.