Keyonte George - Baylor

clyde21 · Post #1 » by **clyde21** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:37 am

needs his own thread

Post #2 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:48 pm

Very high on him

EMG518 · Post #3 » by **EMG518** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:01 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Very high on him

not to put you on the spot but out of curiosity, what are you projecting?

Post #4 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:14 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Very high on him

not to put you on the spot but out of curiosity, what are you projecting?

Bradley Beal

clyde21 · Post #5 » by **clyde21** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:45 pm

Markelle Fultz for me, but early pre-yips Fultz

DowNY · Post #6 » by **DowNY** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:05 pm

Best all around scorer in draft imo
Would start him at the 2 immediately

Chuck Everett · Post #7 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:04 am

Top 5 pick IMO. I might have said it in the 2023 thread, but I have really liked what I've seen since the summer from him. A tremendous scorer and athlete (who can also shoot).

K_chile22 · Post #8 » by **K_chile22** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm

Based on early returns do people think he can be an NBA point guard or more of a high assist two guard ala Caris LeVert and KPJ?

EMG518 · Post #9 » by **EMG518** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:45 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Based on early returns do people think he can be an NBA point guard or more of a high assist two guard ala Caris LeVert and KPJ?

I don't think you want to be putting him in a category with KPJ and Levert. I haven't watched Levert recently but 70% of the time KPJ either turns the ball over, misses a shot, or makes a bad decision.

clyde21 · Post #10 » by **clyde21** » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:16 am

K_chile22 wrote:Based on early returns do people think he can be an NBA point guard or more of a high assist two guard ala Caris LeVert and KPJ?

more of a PG than LeVert or KPJ, who are combo guards at best and probably more 2 guards masquarding as combo guys

he's not Cp3 either, but you don't need to be in today's NBA with usually multiple handlers on the court at the same time, i think Fultz or Jamal Murray are better comps

Post #11 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:21 am

K_chile22 wrote:Based on early returns do people think he can be an NBA point guard or more of a high assist two guard ala Caris LeVert and KPJ?

I think Im higher on his scoring ability than others and lower on his PG skills than others. But I think that is just nitpicking. Again I think more Bradley Beal and I say that as a guy that can score from all 3 areas, while also being a solid #2 ball handler (Beal has been a solid passing 2 guard the last few years).

But with that said I got him in my top 5 college guys to start the year.

BostonCouchGM · Post #12 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:10 am

Jamal Murray, Donovan Mitchell and Beal are great comps. I wouldn't be surprised either way, PG or SG but like others have said, I believe he'll be a #2 ball handler given his off-ball ability. I was more excited about him when I thought he was 6'5" like many of his early scouting reports suggested but he's 6'3" at best with average wingspan so it'll affect his defense and finishing at the rim at the next level to a degree.

He should go in the back half of the lottery at minimum.

EMG518 · Post #13 » by **EMG518** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:52 am

Does nobody else have concerns about his athleticism?

SeattleJazzFan · Post #14 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:31 pm

EMG518 wrote:Does nobody else have concerns about his athleticism?

yes. and his shooting. i like his stroke for the most part, but his shot looks flat and frankly it just isn't going in. the one thing he's been consistent at is poor shooting performances. when you're 6'3", maybe 6'4", you have to be able to put the ball in the hoop if you want to be a top 5-8 pick in the draft. of course he has plenty of time to figure it out and show he's a respectable shooter, but it hasn't happened yet and we can only call it like we've seen it.

Post #15 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:13 pm

Damn Im getting old. Looked at my DVR/cloud and saw I had a Baylor game saved and I thought to myself "why the hell do I have a Baylor vs Marquette game saved, Wojo aint coaching Marquette no more." And I deleted the game. Completely forgot KG is playing for the Bears. But looking at the box score, doesnt look like I missed much. A pretty meh game it looks like from him.

Post #16 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:19 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
EMG518 wrote:Does nobody else have concerns about his athleticism?

yes. and his shooting. i like his stroke for the most part, but his shot looks flat and frankly it just isn't going in. the one thing he's been consistent at is poor shooting performances. when you're 6'3", maybe 6'4", you have to be able to put the ball in the hoop if you want to be a top 5-8 pick in the draft. of course he has plenty of time to figure it out and show he's a respectable shooter, but it hasn't happened yet and we can only call it like we've seen it.

Meh. I will continue with my Beal comparison. I remember Beal in college had a pretty rough start shooting the ball and even ended up being just a 33% 3pt shooter. While Austin Rivers in the same draft ended up having the better year from 3 (36%) and I remember some talk online on who would be the better shooter.

KG has good form and good touch with his shot. And he will have no issue getting his shot off against pros as well. Im not worried at all about his jumper.

clyde21 · Post #17 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:32 pm

i don't have any issues with his shooting, he's not a deadeye shooter by any stretch but will keep defenses honest there, and has enough of a dribble game and scoring repertoire to project as a good scorer in the NBA.

athletically no real questions either, he's doesn't have an elite vertical pop or explosion but is pretty quick twitch and is long and fast. no issues on that side either.

most of the questions are off-ball for him on both sides.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #18 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:17 pm

i keep hearing that keyonte george is a good shooter - at a certain point does what actually happens on the court start to matter. i mean, it seems you should actually have to shoot good in order to be considered a good shooter. the one thing george has done consistently this season is shoot the ball poorly. i keep tuning in to baylor games hoping to see something different, but it's every time it's just more of the same. he's clearly a skilled player, and i do like his stroke, but if the shots don't fall over an extended period of time it becomes a concern. the caveat being, as it is with all these young players, he is still young and could very well get there - at least the mechanics are very good.

EvanZ · Post #19 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:33 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:i keep hearing that keyonte george is a good shooter - at a certain point does what actually happens on the court start to matter. i mean, it seems you should actually have to shoot good in order to be considered a good shooter. the one thing george has done consistently this season is shoot the ball poorly. i keep tuning in to baylor games hoping to see something different, but it's every time it's just more of the same. he's clearly a skilled player, and i do like his stroke, but if the shots don't fall over an extended period of time it becomes a concern. the caveat being, as it is with all these young players, he is still young and could very well get there - at least the mechanics are very good.

One thing I've learned doing this is not to overindex on 3P% unless the sample size is overwhelmingly large, which it rarely is in a single season, let alone for Freshman. 3P% doesn't even begin to stabilize until 200 attempts or so. You're really better off going by a combination of volume, FT%, and 3P% in addition to heavily weighing the shot mechanics. Does he get his shot off easily? Can he be a movement shooter? Those are probably more important questions than whether he shoots 32% or 36% this season. Maxey and Edwards are good recent examples of this. I wouldn't get too low on a player for having a bad shooting season %-wise, just as I might not get too high on a player who has an outlier good 3P% season without having those other things.

clyde21 · Post #20 » by **clyde21** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:31 pm

i mean he's shooting 32% on over 8 attempts per at a mid 80s FT%, has a strong live dribble game, can get shots off on multiple levels, shooting mechanics not broken, shown glimpses of both spot up shooting and a pull game.

sometimes it's not just about raw shooting numbers, especially for a FS in a limited sample size.