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The Jays just had their home opener - which Alek Manoah are we getting this year?

Hall of Famer Austin Matthews is doing his thing again where he scores a ton of goals, nobody cares because we want to get past the 2nd round.

I swear this is Mats Sundin all over again, but worse.

Leafs are barely even the 6th best team in the east. The 1st/ 2nd round exit is inevitable once again

At least the Leafs are a winning team. The Raptors are one of the worst in the league.

Vampirate wrote:The Jays just had their home opener - which Alek Manoah are we getting this year?

Hall of Famer Austin Matthews is doing his thing again where he scores a ton of goals, nobody cares because we want to get past the 2nd round.

I swear this is Mats Sundin all over again, but worse.

Alek Manoah is not on the team, lol.

I'm not investing more time in the Jays until this FO shows me they're serious about winning. In seven years of running the team, they've yet to show me they are. Since they started their rebuild in 2017, the Jays have made the playoffs three* times (*making the playoffs during a shortened season with a negative run differential shouldn't count, but I included it anyway), winning a grand total of zero playoff games...

The Leafs are the Leafs. This core always has good regular seasons and then chokes in the playoffs. They've made it past the first round once in 7 years (losing 4-1 in the second round the year they did). I'm not expecting a different outcome this season.

Despite the Raptors' recent struggles, I still somehow have more faith in this FO than those other two, which isn't saying much.

metafisical wrote:At least the Leafs are a winning team. The Raptors are one of the worst in the league.

Each team goes through rebuild cycles. The raptors are one of the most successful nba teams in the last 10 years we've been blessed with a lot of good basketball and a championship

If the Jays have a better hitting philosophy with the new coaching, they're definitely good enough to win the east (barring the injury bug).

The Leafs.. I still don't believe they have the goaltending required to win in the playoffs. You need a guy that can steal games... Maybe one of them will rise up.

I predict the Raptors win another chip before the leafs or jays.

Also predict that people on this board will still be calling for Masai's head after they do it.

witnessraps wrote:

metafisical wrote:At least the Leafs are a winning team. The Raptors are one of the worst in the league.

Each team goes through rebuild cycles. The raptors are one of the most successful nba teams in the last 10 years we've been blessed with a lot of good basketball and a championship

The Raptors are not a major FA destination so have to build through the draft. The Leafs had to be bad for 4 years to get Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They have made some decent draft picks late in the 1st recently, like Knies and Easton Cowan, that should help soon. At least they were able to sign Tavares. No such level of player has signed with the Raptors.

bluerap23 wrote:I predict the Raptors win another chip before the leafs or jays.

Also predict that people on this board will still be calling for Masai's head after they do it.

The Jays have built a top 5 pitching staff in all of MLB.

1. Berrios
2. Gausman
3. Bassitt
4. Kikuchi
5. Bowden Francis/Manoah/Yariel Rodriguez

There's no reason why the Jays can't finish with 90+ wins and finishing 2nd behind the Baltimore Orioles who after many basement years are having their young stars carry them up. Baltimore won zero playoff games last season; Texas swept them 3-0. The whole AL East were winless last playoffs.

Psubs wrote:

bluerap23 wrote:I predict the Raptors win another chip before the leafs or jays.

Also predict that people on this board will still be calling for Masai's head after they do it.

The Jays have built a top 5 pitching staff in all of MLB.

1. Berrios
2. Gausman
3. Bassitt
4. Kikuchi
5. Bowden Francis/Manoah/Yariel Rodriguez

Very good starting rotation, bullpen and defence. Offence is troubling. In recent years we've lost Semien, Teo, Gurriel, Chapman and Merrifield and replaced them with worse hitters. We are "hoping" that there will be bounce back seasons from Springer, Vlad, Kirk and Varsho. We are "hoping" there will be internal growth and development. The team isn't bad, they just aren't good enough.

Forget about last year. Remind me how many playoff games we've won in the Shatkins decade.

6ixpessant wrote:If the Jays have a better hitting philosophy with the new coaching, they're definitely good enough to win the east (barring the injury bug).

The Leafs.. I still don't believe they have the goaltending required to win in the playoffs. You need a guy that can steal games... Maybe one of them will rise up.

Woll was doing amazing before he got hurt. He's playing better now and hopefully peak at the right time for the playoffs.

bluerap23 wrote:

Psubs wrote:

bluerap23 wrote:I predict the Raptors win another chip before the leafs or jays.

Also predict that people on this board will still be calling for Masai's head after they do it.

The Jays have built a top 5 pitching staff in all of MLB.

1. Berrios
2. Gausman
3. Bassitt
4. Kikuchi
5. Bowden Francis/Manoah/Yariel Rodriguez

Very good starting rotation, bullpen and defence. Offence is troubling. In recent years we've lost Semien, Teo, Gurriel, Chapman and Merrifield and replaced them with worse hitters. We are "hoping" that there will be bounce back seasons from Springer, Vlad, Kirk and Varsho. We are "hoping" there will be internal growth and development. The team isn't bad, they just aren't good enough.

Forget about last year. Remind me how many playoff games we've won in the Shatkins decade.

Keirmeier moved up to the 6th spot makes sense while Biggio at the #9 brings pop to the bottom and he's willing to walk a lot to set the table for the top of the order.

Tiedmann gets the start in Buffalo today. They will keep him down there enough, not to burn a year of arbitration. If all goes well, he is top 4 next year and Kikuchi is re-signed as a long reliever.

witnessraps wrote:

metafisical wrote:At least the Leafs are a winning team. The Raptors are one of the worst in the league.

Each team goes through rebuild cycles. The raptors are one of the most successful nba teams in the last 10 years we've been blessed with a lot of good basketball and a championship

Had a over a decade of winning basketball, that concluded with Championship.

The Leafs can only wish.

Potential wrote:Leafs are barely even the 6th best team in the east. The 1st/ 2nd round exit is inevitable once again

Not really how hoceky works though - this is not the NBA where the better seeds win. Now sure how they are "barely" the 6th best team when they are comfortably in 5th right now and have games in hand of the teams ahead of them though

metafisical wrote:At least the Leafs are a winning team. The Raptors are one of the worst in the league.

Yeah, and the Leafs are on pace to win less games than the Raptors won in 2022.

Psubs wrote:

bluerap23 wrote:I predict the Raptors win another chip before the leafs or jays.

Also predict that people on this board will still be calling for Masai's head after they do it.

The Jays have built a top 5 pitching staff in all of MLB.

1. Berrios
2. Gausman
3. Bassitt
4. Kikuchi
5. Bowden Francis/Manoah/Yariel Rodriguez

There's no reason why the Jays can't finish with 90+ wins and finishing 2nd behind the Baltimore Orioles who after many basement years are having their young stars carry them up. Baltimore won zero playoff games last season; Texas swept them 3-0. The whole AL East were winless last playoffs.

Baltimores entire roster is full of young, talented guys who are getting their first taste of playing winning major league ball. They're only going to get better.

Meanwhile, the sum total of the Jays off season moves to fix a lineup that can't hit was to try and sign a guy who was never going to come here and then pivot to signing spare parts. Sure they COULD win 90 games but a LOT of things would have to go right. For one thing, expecting the health and quality that they got last season from their pitching staff is disappointment waiting to happen.

There's zero accountability in that front office.

As for the leafs, it's mystifying to me why people still talk about them. I mean, what are they in now year 8 of trying to do the same thing and hoping this time will somehow be different?

beanbag wrote:

Vampirate wrote:The Jays just had their home opener - which Alek Manoah are we getting this year?

Hall of Famer Austin Matthews is doing his thing again where he scores a ton of goals, nobody cares because we want to get past the 2nd round.

I swear this is Mats Sundin all over again, but worse.

Alek Manoah is not on the team, lol.

What about Robbie Alomar, he was a great 2nd baseman.

Leafs are a joke led by a bunch of softies. Matthews is allergic to grit and Marner has the presence of a 16 year old boy. No team in the NHL is intimidated by these fakes. Another first round exit to come

beanbag wrote:

Vampirate wrote:The Jays just had their home opener - which Alek Manoah are we getting this year?

Hall of Famer Austin Matthews is doing his thing again where he scores a ton of goals, nobody cares because we want to get past the 2nd round.

I swear this is Mats Sundin all over again, but worse.

Alek Manoah is not on the team, lol.

Pretty sure they’re also in Tampa.

Fairview4Life wrote:

beanbag wrote:

Vampirate wrote:The Jays just had their home opener - which Alek Manoah are we getting this year?

Hall of Famer Austin Matthews is doing his thing again where he scores a ton of goals, nobody cares because we want to get past the 2nd round.

I swear this is Mats Sundin all over again, but worse.

Alek Manoah is not on the team, lol.

Pretty sure they’re also in Tampa.

Confirmed