The Official 2023-2024 Utah Jazz Season Discussion Thread

Post #61 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:57 pm

bkohler wrote:Oh, definitely think that there will be teams desperate to dump players this year to get under the apron and give up decent players to do so. I just don't think they'll be paying with picks to move them.

Right now we have plenty of picks. We don't really need more protected picks in the 20s. What we need is top-end talent, so if we can get one by using our cap space it's a W.

stitches · Post #62 » by **stitches** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:08 pm

AGE1207 · Post #63 » by **AGE1207** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:17 pm

stitches wrote:

That could be a very smart move actually, both short as well as longer term…

Post #64 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:17 pm

^That wouldn't be so bad.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #65 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:26 pm

It would be fine if we dumped Sexton for a real PG.

It would be pretty bad if we kept all of Clarkson, Sexton, George, and Sensabaugh.

They're all the same guy (except Sensabaugh is massively worse than those three right now with much higher upside than those three)

Post #66 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:44 pm

George and Sensabaugh may see a lot of D-league action this season. I'm hoping to see some improvement from Sexton as a distributor this season but understand the skepticism.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #67 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:24 pm

On the Hollinger tweet above, I thought that teams weren't allowed to make such drastic year to year variances in salary in player contracts, such as front or end loading them, and were limited to a certain limited percentage change year to year- is this not the case?

Post #68 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:38 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:On the Hollinger tweet above, I thought that teams weren't allowed to make such drastic year to year variances in salary in player contracts, such as front or end loading them, and were limited to a certain limited percentage change year to year- is this not the case?

It happens. One of the scenarios with Austin Reeves is that to pry him from the Lakers, front-loading his contract would make it very difficult for them to match. There are several such contracts in the league, but I don't have them off the top of my head.

D Rog · Post #69 » by **D Rog** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:41 pm

I honestly thought Clarkson would be some kind of sign and trade player and he still might be. I was reading Hoops Rumors and they explained his eligibility for a sign and trade. I don't know how accurate it is but I found it interesting.

"If he signs an extension that places him under contract for more than three total seasons, includes a raise greater than 5%, or includes a renegotiation, he’ll become ineligible to be dealt for six months."

Jammer · Post #70 » by **Jammer** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:17 am

15 Men Under Contract at $126,513,532 and revised to account for Damian Jones trade to Cleveland if they keep
Kris Dunn's Unguaranteed salary of $2,586,484
& Luka Samanic's Unguaranteed salary of $2,066,585
& Vernon Carey Jr.'s Unguaranteed salary of $1,997,238

If they release any of the above 3 players they'd have additional cap room.

Salary Cap is 136,000,000.
Jazz have about $10,620,205 Cap Room (because Kris Dunn only counts about $2,019,706 Against CAP).

Center
$2,831,160 Walker Kessler
$12,195,122 Kelly Olynyk
$1,997,238 Vernon Carey Jr. NOT GUARANTEED
Micah Potter as a 2-Way

PF
$25,340,000 John Collins
$5,569,080 Taylor Hendricks
$2,066,585 Luka Samanic Not Guaranteed
Joey Hauser as a Two-Way

SF
$17,259,999 Lauri Markkanen
$2,448,240 Brice Sensabaugh
$3,044,872 Simone Fontecchio

SG
$14,260,000 Jordan Clarkson (Eligible for Extension)
$4,114,200 Ochai Agbaji
$11,020,000 Talen Horton-Tucker

PG
$17,325,000 Collin Sexton
$2,586,484 Kris Dunn Not Guaranteed but Cap # is only about $2,019,706
$3,889,200 Keyonte George

Look for the Jazz to extend and re-structure Jordan Clarkson's deal.

stitches · Post #71 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:40 am

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Post #72 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:10 am

There is a lot wrong with these twitts. What he's suggesting is that the Jazz screw over their current trade partner just to screw over the Lakers. Ainge is already unpopular as a GM and other GMs are reluctant to deal with him. Good luck executing trades after pulling this bull. Especially after he managed to trade with the Lakers last season, this will just ruin a good working relationship.

As for Reeves, if he's a good player (I'd assume so if the Jazz are willing to screw over two teams to get him and make an offer) and he's on the Lakers roster in 2027 because they matched the offer sheet, then why would the Lakers pick be more valuable? Wouldn't he help them win games?

stitches · Post #73 » by **stitches** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:49 pm

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Post #74 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:30 pm

I may have judged the Jazz too harshly on the Collins trade in relation to sacrificing cap space for future deals. If there is another team out there who is looking to unload a good player or even a star for financial relief, the Jazz can provide a lot of cap relief.

Combine $12.3M in cap space with:
THT - $11.2M expiring
Olynyk - $12.2M expiring
Fontecchio - $3M Expiring
Damian Jones - $2.5M expiring
Dunn - $2.5M non-guaranteed and expiring
*Clarkson - $14.2M expiring (we'll see how the contract ends up regarding extension)

Add to that many picks, and useful players like Collins and Sexton if need be.

And the Jazz is going to have a metric ton of cap space when the coming season is over (2024-2025).

We are actually in really good shape.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #75 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:57 pm

What to make of this, if anything?

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Crunch 99 · Post #76 » by **Crunch 99** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 1:48 am

Is Kris Dunn, who just signed a contract last spring, eligible for a contract extension? If he is eligible, when is the deadline date for signing Dunn to an extension if he exceeds expectations again?

BigJimFinn · Post #77 » by **BigJimFinn** » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:04 am

Crunch 99 wrote:Is Kris Dunn, who just signed a contract last spring, eligible for a contract extension? If he is eligible, when is the deadline date for signing Dunn to an extension if he exceeds expectations again?

Not having an updated Larry Coon CBA FAQ makes me feel lost at sea, but I don't believe this would have changed so radically. In the old CBA, only contracts of three years or more and with full Bird rights could be extended, and the principle makes too much sense to scrap. So I'm 99% certain that Dunn is not eligible.

Jammer · Post #78 » by **Jammer** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:22 pm

Clarkson just re-negotiated and extended thru 2026 season for $55 Million (2 additional years on top of current season).

stitches · Post #79 » by **stitches** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:24 pm

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HadAnEffectHere · Post #80 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:53 pm

Jazz probably used 8.8m in cap space on this so they're pretty much out of cap space.

Not sure what the plan is with this roster. A LOT of guys really want shots and I'm not sure how any of them are going to get enough shots.