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Filipowski needs to be much more impactful than that offensively to make up for his lack of shot blocking. Otherwise he's not a very relevant player in the NBA.

Getting an average center in the NBA is very easy. Getting a slightly below average center is even easier.

I think the Jazz are going to finish the season something like 7-17 from here to end with about 34 wins. They should be able to tank their way to the 8th pick in the draft order, sneaking by Houston, Atlanta and possibly Toronto.

Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are going to finish the season something like 7-17 from here to end with about 34 wins. They should be able to tank their way to the 8th pick in the draft order, sneaking by Houston, Atlanta and possibly Toronto.

Atlanta is going to win like 3 more games the rest of the season with Trae Young out.

Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are going to finish the season something like 7-17 from here to end with about 34 wins. They should be able to tank their way to the 8th pick in the draft order, sneaking by Houston, Atlanta and possibly Toronto.

The only reason for us to tank in this draft is that there will be a star player available during the summer and we need some ammo.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are going to finish the season something like 7-17 from here to end with about 34 wins. They should be able to tank their way to the 8th pick in the draft order, sneaking by Houston, Atlanta and possibly Toronto.

Atlanta is going to win like 3 more games the rest of the season with Trae Young out.

Don't be so sure...... I think they'll be just fine.......

red4hf wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

Catchall wrote:I think the Jazz are going to finish the season something like 7-17 from here to end with about 34 wins. They should be able to tank their way to the 8th pick in the draft order, sneaking by Houston, Atlanta and possibly Toronto.

Atlanta is going to win like 3 more games the rest of the season with Trae Young out.

Don't be so sure...... I think they'll be just fine.......

'Fine' is a relative term. They've been sucking with him too. Maybe they'll go on a run without him?

Inigo Montoya wrote:

red4hf wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Atlanta is going to win like 3 more games the rest of the season with Trae Young out.

Don't be so sure...... I think they'll be just fine.......

'Fine' is a relative term. They've been sucking with him too. Maybe they'll go on a run without him?

You're right, when I say fine I mean they won't be any worse.....

Current Lottery: Topic, Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Williams, Buzelis, Knecht, Sheppard, Salaun, Dillingham, George, Furphy, Smith, Filipowski/Walter

So many of those players I’d love…. with the 15th ish pick in the draft. This is going to be the year we win the lottery when there’s not a huge difference between 1 and 15.

I think Dillon Jones would be an awesome fit for this Jazz team. Hoping he is available with our late first rounder.

Praying to the basketball gods that we finally get some lottery luck this off-season.

Jampod wrote:Praying to the basketball gods that we finally get some lottery luck this off-season.

It's probably the worst draft in recent memory to get lucky in, in term of getting a high pick. I'd rather be 'unlucky' and pick 10th or even not at all and save our luck for future drafts.

It feels like getting lucky in this draft would be unlucky since it's supposed to be so bad.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jampod wrote:Praying to the basketball gods that we finally get some lottery luck this off-season.

It's probably the worst draft in recent memory to get lucky in, in term of getting a high pick. I'd rather be 'unlucky' and pick 10th or even not at all and save our luck for future drafts.

It feels like getting lucky in this draft would be unlucky since it's supposed to be so bad.

I can see some arguments for conveying the pick this year. However, unless we can somehow trade for Luka in a year or two, it’s going to be a long rebuild. Finding hidden talent in the draft has always been something the Jazz do fairly well.

Jampod wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jampod wrote:Praying to the basketball gods that we finally get some lottery luck this off-season.

It's probably the worst draft in recent memory to get lucky in, in term of getting a high pick. I'd rather be 'unlucky' and pick 10th or even not at all and save our luck for future drafts.

It feels like getting lucky in this draft would be unlucky since it's supposed to be so bad.

I can see some arguments for conveying the pick this year. However, unless we can somehow trade for Luka in a year or two, it’s going to be a long rebuild. Finding hidden talent in the draft has always been something the Jazz do fairly well.

I agree, but then do we really need a high pick to find a hidden talent? If a player is picked in the lottery his talent isn't so hidden. I'd say the late first and early second the Jazz got in the trade fit the definition of finding hidden talent better.

And since this isn't a top-heavy draft with no apparent franchise player, it would feel like a waste to finally get lucky in this of all drafts. If we're talking lottery, I'd rather just keep the 10th pick rather than finally get lucky since the talent is pretty much equal. Maybe it isn't a rational reason but I'd rather 'keep' my luck rather than 'wasting' it on this draft.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jampod wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:It's probably the worst draft in recent memory to get lucky in, in term of getting a high pick. I'd rather be 'unlucky' and pick 10th or even not at all and save our luck for future drafts.

It feels like getting lucky in this draft would be unlucky since it's supposed to be so bad.

I can see some arguments for conveying the pick this year. However, unless we can somehow trade for Luka in a year or two, it’s going to be a long rebuild. Finding hidden talent in the draft has always been something the Jazz do fairly well.

I agree, but then do we really need a high pick to find a hidden talent? If a player is picked in the lottery his talent isn't so hidden. I'd say the late first and early second the Jazz got in the trade fit the definition of finding hidden talent better.

And since this isn't a top-heavy draft with no apparent franchise player, it would feel like a waste to finally get lucky in this of all drafts. If we're talking lottery, I'd rather just keep the 10th pick rather than finally get lucky since the talent is pretty much equal. Maybe it isn't a rational reason but I'd rather 'keep' my luck rather than 'wasting' it on this draft.

I think it depends on how the draft shapes up as well as how teams before us draft. There could be a lot of variability in the lottery, and a player could fall to us or just the opposite. If, say, a player like Alex Sarr is really comparable to Nic Claxton, and the Jazz draft him at 2 or 3, then that’s a win.

Jampod wrote:I think it depends on how the draft shapes up as well as how teams before us draft. There could be a lot of variability in the lottery, and a player could fall to us or just the opposite. If, say, a player like Alex Sarr is really comparable to Nic Claxton, and the Jazz draft him at 2 or 3, then that’s a win.

The fact that a Nic Claxton-like player would be considered a win at #2 or #3 (because he is projected to go #1) just shows the quality of this draft. If that's what on offer, you may as well stay at 10 and be just as likely to find similar talent.

Besides, if you're drafting Sarr then you're trading Kessler. Do you want to pick at #2 or #3 just to draft a player at Kessler's position?

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jampod wrote:I think it depends on how the draft shapes up as well as how teams before us draft. There could be a lot of variability in the lottery, and a player could fall to us or just the opposite. If, say, a player like Alex Sarr is really comparable to Nic Claxton, and the Jazz draft him at 2 or 3, then that’s a win.

The fact that a Nic Claxton-like player would be considered a win at #2 or #3 (because he is projected to go #1) just shows the quality of this draft. If that's what on offer, you may as well stay at 10 and be just as likely to find similar talent.

Besides, if you're drafting Sarr then you're trading Kessler. Do you want to pick at #2 or #3 just to draft a player at Kessler's position?

I’m using the Alex Sarr scenario as an example. I’m not necessarily saying we’d want to draft him. But yeah, your point makes sense, and it’s probably the most likely. However, we don’t know how Zanik and Ainge see this draft, and I’d also hate to see us try to tank in the latter half in the season, only for our pick to land at #11. It would feel like a loss, and that the intention Ainge and Zanik are trying to accomplish ( soft tank strategy) would be disorganized.

Jampod wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jampod wrote:I think it depends on how the draft shapes up as well as how teams before us draft. There could be a lot of variability in the lottery, and a player could fall to us or just the opposite. If, say, a player like Alex Sarr is really comparable to Nic Claxton, and the Jazz draft him at 2 or 3, then that’s a win.

The fact that a Nic Claxton-like player would be considered a win at #2 or #3 (because he is projected to go #1) just shows the quality of this draft. If that's what on offer, you may as well stay at 10 and be just as likely to find similar talent.

Besides, if you're drafting Sarr then you're trading Kessler. Do you want to pick at #2 or #3 just to draft a player at Kessler's position?

I’m using the Alex Sarr scenario as an example. I’m not necessarily saying we’d want to draft him. But yeah, your point makes sense, and it’s probably the most likely. However, we don’t know how Zanik and Ainge see this draft, and I’d also hate to see us try to tank in the latter half in the season, only for our pick to land at #11. It would feel like a loss, and that the intention Ainge and Zanik are trying to accomplish ( soft tank strategy) would be disorganized.

It's the same level of talent though, which is the point. For what it's worth, Zanik and Ainge seem to agree with your assessment. They chose to tank so there must be some players they like in the top-10 range.

I look back on last year's draft, and I have to wonder if Leonard Miller and GG Jackson, both 2nd rounders last year, wouldn't be top 10 this year.

SoCalJazzFan wrote:I look back on last year's draft, and I have to wonder if Leonard Miller and GG Jackson, both 2nd rounders last year, wouldn't be top 10 this year.

That was part of the rationale of drafting them last season. You could get them with a low pick back then and if you wait a year they might be considered much higher based on an additional year of development and a weak draft. Memphis basically drafted a would-be top-10 guy at #45.