Discussing Other Teams' Moves (Part IV)

Post #1401 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:07 pm

I actually think Maggette played a lot of PF last year. I'd probably throw last year out and focus on his Clipper days to find the real Maggette. But I do agree that his teams never going anywhere is a bit of a red flag. But if the Bucks can turn Gadz+Bell into a near 20ppg scorer, they have to make that deal IMO.

Depending on who they draft (assuming they go big) and what they can get for Redd, they could be pretty good next year.

Post #1402 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:31 pm

LyricalRico wrote:I actually think Maggette played a lot of PF last year. I'd probably throw last year out and focus on his Clipper days to find the real Maggette. But I do agree that his teams never going anywhere is a bit of a red flag. But if the Bucks can turn Gadz+Bell into a near 20ppg scorer, they have to make that deal IMO.

Depending on who they draft (assuming they go big) and what they can get for Redd, they could be pretty good next year.

I remember hearing he was the Warriors' best inside scorer, so he might have played PF. Actually, I'm not sure they had a center half the time, so...

It's hard to say if this affects whether or not the Bucks re-sign Salmons. The Salmons/Delfino combo seemed to click for them at the wings, but other than games when Stackmoney was hot, they didn't have any depth.

Hoopalotta · Post #1403 » by **Hoopalotta** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:37 pm

I watched a fair number of Warriors games and Maggette did play a bunch of power forward. It should be noted that they had a few nights with about six guys on the squad and their bigs were banged up pretty much all year.

I wonder what would have happened if he'd have been playing next to Steve Nash about six years ago. He's like a herd of wildebeest going to the hole, so if he could have just worked that in off the ball, he'd be amongst the most efficient and physical slashers in the league within a team concept.

But unfortunately he's always been pretty mostly an iso scorer.

Post #1404 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:34 pm

It's official: Maggette+44 to Milwaukee for Gadz+Bell. If the Warriors are expecting Randolph/Wright to be their main PF rotation (as their press release states), they could very well go for a wing at #6. George? Aminu? Henry?

mhd · Post #1405 » by **mhd** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:42 pm

Draftexpress says GSW is taking a big: either Cousins (who won't fall pass them) or Monroe or Udoh.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1406 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:44 pm

nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:It's a sign of the times when GS is willing to give away Maggette - with 3 years on his contract - for Gadz and Bell who are 1 year contracts. He scored 19.8 PPG in just 29.41 minutes a game last season while shooting 51.6%. Hey, if you're going to tank, tank big-time.

Maggette has always been an enigma to me. He puts up great numbers, but his teams always suck. Is that because he has been unlucky to be paired with lousy teammates? Or is he a stat padder? His on/off numbers have been pretty bad with Golden State, but they were good when he was a Clipper.

I wonder the same things about Maggette. On one hand, he's a scorer maybe more efficient than Paul Pierce. But as you mentioned nate, his teams always suck. Additionally, Maggette rated a negative in plus/minus, on/off court with GS. The Warriors were considerably better with him off the court.

On hearing of the trade I thought the Warriors are elated to be rid of Maggette's contract. The Bucks really must not be thinking Salmons is worth resigning at what he'll command.

Or, could Milwaukee still be intent on having Salmons with Maggette?

Post #1407 » by **floppymoose** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:00 pm

nate33 wrote:Maggette has always been an enigma to me. He puts up great numbers, but his teams always suck. Is that because he has been unlucky to be paired with lousy teammates? Or is he a stat padder? His on/off numbers have been pretty bad with Golden State, but they were good when he was a Clipper.

He had one good on/off year with the Clips. There is another that appears to be, but really wasn't because he only started 13 games and missed most of the season with injury.

And his one good +- year was when a rookie Thornton and a decrepit Mobley were his backups.

All his other years he has spent hurting teams that were lousy to start with. Hard to do.

He is a guy who puts up numbers while making you lose. The Bucks fans are going to hate him inside of 6 weeks. I feel for them. At least they didn't sign him for 5 years like my Warriors did. GSW makes good trades but signs horrible contracts (Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle, Fisher, Maggette, Jackson extension....)

BruceO · Post #1408 » by **BruceO** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:09 pm

there's an iggy for monta ellis rumour flying around. Could that be their new SF? or are they gonna get one of the draft small forwards. I heard weeks ago they loved xavier henry. If wes lasts which i doubt they take him. I see Aminu going to clippers to give them a good forward tandem. But now I am looking out for the monta for Iggy trade.

Post #1409 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:28 pm

BruceO wrote:there's an iggy for monta ellis rumour flying around. Could that be their new SF? or are they gonna get one of the draft small forwards. I heard weeks ago they loved xavier henry. If wes lasts which i doubt they take him. I see Aminu going to clippers to give them a good forward tandem. But now I am looking out for the monta for Iggy trade.

I like it for GS, but what would Philly do with Ellis? Holliday is their PG of the future and they still seem poised to take Evan Turner who seems to be best used at SG. Either they will go ultra small with Turner at SF and Ellis at SG, or somebody will be coming off the bench. I don't see either scenario working very well.

IMO there's either nothing to it or there's a third team involved that wants Ellis. Toronto? Atlanta?

closg00 · Post #1410 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:41 pm

Alex Kennedy:

Source says that Washington Wizards' executive Milt Newton is being looked at by Portland and Phoenix as candidate for general manager job

Kanyewest · Post #1411 » by **Kanyewest** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:42 am

LyricalRico wrote:
I like it for GS, but what would Philly do with Ellis? Holliday is their PG of the future and they still seem poised to take Evan Turner who seems to be best used at SG. Either they will go ultra small with Turner at SF and Ellis at SG, or somebody will be coming off the bench. I don't see either scenario working very well.

IMO there's either nothing to it or there's a third team involved that wants Ellis. Toronto? Atlanta?

While I don't really like it that much for Philly, one possible reason could be that Ellis would give the 76ers some 3 point shooting. Maybe Jrue Holiday is big enough to guard shooting guards but I doubt it. And maybe Turner can play small forwards, although I agree that he may create more mismatches at shooting guard.

BruceO · Post #1412 » by **BruceO** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:42 am

portland apparently like elliot williams, i have him in my mock draft going around 24th to the hawks. I think memphis and wolves have picks just adjacent to that. I think the 23rd pick. Maybe that's the one they want. Rudy might be out of portland so they might need to replace him.

Hoopalotta · Post #1413 » by **Hoopalotta** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:59 am

Wojo Twitter on another trade:

WojYahooNBA Milwaukee will give Nets the 44th pick in Draft for Chris Douglas-Roberts, league source tells Y!. Now Jersey holds Nos. 3, 27, 31 and 44.

WojYahooNBAQuick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won't be 44 now.

Post #1414 » by **montestewart** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:08 am

Hoopalotta wrote:Wojo Twitter on another trade:

WojYahooNBA Milwaukee will give Nets the 44th pick in Draft for Chris Douglas-Roberts, league source tells Y!. Now Jersey holds Nos. 3, 27, 31 and 44.

WojYahooNBAQuick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won't be 44 now.

That 44th pick's starting to look like Q-Rich.

Kanyewest · Post #1415 » by **Kanyewest** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:58 am

Chad Ford says that the T-Wolves offered the #4 for Nicolas Batum and the Blazers declined. I wanted Batum back in 2008 but damn...

Dat2U · Post #1416 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:46 am

Hoopalotta wrote:Wojo Twitter on another trade:

WojYahooNBA Milwaukee will give Nets the 44th pick in Draft for Chris Douglas-Roberts, league source tells Y!. Now Jersey holds Nos. 3, 27, 31 and 44.

WojYahooNBAQuick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won't be 44 now.

This is a type of deal I'd have liked to see us make. I don't know of he'd fit into our long term plans but CDR is a dirt cheap productive player who would have been a decent fit at either wing position for us.

Post #1417 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:49 am

Dat2U wrote:
Hoopalotta wrote:Wojo Twitter on another trade:

WojYahooNBA Milwaukee will give Nets the 44th pick in Draft for Chris Douglas-Roberts, league source tells Y!. Now Jersey holds Nos. 3, 27, 31 and 44.

WojYahooNBAQuick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won't be 44 now.

This is a type of deal I'd have liked to see us make. I don't know of he'd fit into our long term plans but CDR is a dirt cheap productive player who would have been a decent fit at either wing position for us.

Great move for the Bucks - assuming it's for one of their 3 2nd rounders, but it wouldn't have made sense for the Wiz - given CDR's immaturity. The Bucks are a more stable organization at this point - better able to deal with his issues.

verbal8 · Post #1418 » by **verbal8** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:45 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:It's a sign of the times when GS is willing to give away Maggette - with 3 years on his contract - for Gadz and Bell who are 1 year contracts. He scored 19.8 PPG in just 29.41 minutes a game last season while shooting 51.6%. Hey, if you're going to tank, tank big-time.

Maggette has always been an enigma to me. He puts up great numbers, but his teams always suck. Is that because he has been unlucky to be paired with lousy teammates? Or is he a stat padder? His on/off numbers have been pretty bad with Golden State, but they were good when he was a Clipper.

I wonder the same things about Maggette. On one hand, he's a scorer maybe more efficient than Paul Pierce. But as you mentioned nate, his teams always suck. Additionally, Maggette rated a negative in plus/minus, on/off court with GS. The Warriors were considerably better with him off the court.

On hearing of the trade I thought the Warriors are elated to be rid of Maggette's contract. The Bucks really must not be thinking Salmons is worth resigning at what he'll command.

Or, could Milwaukee still be intent on having Salmons with Maggette?

It looks like Milwaukee is not expecting to re-sign Salmons. I could see them playing Maggette and Salmons together, especially assuming that Redd is done.

However I think the CDR trade means they are going another direction on the wings.

Post #1419 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:56 pm

I think Salmons is still an option for Milwaukee if he's willing to sign a contract they are comfortable with - no 4th year. CDR essentially takes Bell's playing time - not much - until he proves he's better than he showed in NJ. They needed a player who could draw fouls like Maggette can - rather than settle for jumpers. So, they'd have a 3 man rotation at the wings of Salmons, Maggette, and Delfino - with CDR getting mop-up time and filling in when someone's hurt.

I'm not sure where Luke and Luc fit in, though. Ridnour's a free agent who played some at the 2 and was the backup PG. And Moute is their defensive specialist forward - but he's neither a 3 or a 4 - and if they draft a 4, he may get squeezed out.

mhd · Post #1420 » by **mhd** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:59 pm

I think the Bucks surrendered on their 2011 plan, which was a good idea IMO. Face it, the Bucks are a small market team, and attracting FAs will always be difficult, which results in overpayment (Bobby Simmons). They want to win now, so this was a good move.

Next move should be to try and trade Redd for bench help. I posted an idea on the trade board of Redd+15 for Diaw+Nazr.